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Posted: Jun 25th 2009 9:08AM (Unverified) said

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Unbelievable.
Sometimes I'm embarrassed to be Australian. This is one of those times.

Senator Conroy needs to watch himself or he'll be 'blacklisted' himself...

Posted: Jun 25th 2009 2:23PM nomoredroids said

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According to Websters, fundamentalism is: "a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles."

The definition lacks most of the connotations our modern media applies to it today.

Utaka, everybody makes decisions every day based on beliefs. I believe that if I get in my car it will start and I can go to work. Maybe my car's broken. Maybe I'll die on the way to work. I believe it will start and that I won't die on the way, lacking any evidence. I suppose I'm a nutter.

Tyranor, you're adhering rigidly to the idea that fundamentalists are stupid, thus filing yourself into your own definition of fundamentalism (which by the way is wrong). You're actually refusing to see in anything other than black and white (fundamentalists are stupid and there's no way around it) even as you condemn others for the very same thing you're guilty of. And because I'm a grammar Nazi, "Thus, is stupid" is a sentence fragment.

Stabdriver, though I agree with the second half, I'm not really sure how anything you said is relevant to the discussion at hand. In regards to the first half, if the word is synonymous its interchangeable; I wouldn't drive down the road and yell "HEY BUDDY! WHAT ARE YOU, A FUNDAMENTALIST!?" if somebody cuts me off. I also wouldn't say that somebody is a fundamentalist if they got a really easy question wrong in class. Clearly the words are not synonymous.

If I drive without ever breaking the speed limit and generally never break the traffic laws because they just shouldn't be broken, that makes me a Fundamentalist - I'm rigidly adhering to a strict set of rules. That doesn't make me stupid, even if it might make me really annoying to all the other drivers on the road.
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Posted: Jun 25th 2009 2:24PM nomoredroids said

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Sorry...I'm not sure how I replied to you...This is supposed to be tacked on to the discussion on the post below.
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Posted: Jun 29th 2009 5:54PM (Unverified) said

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i can't believe something like this makes you say " Sometimes I'm embarrassed to be Australian. This is one of those times." it's all about some uptight politician playing god. this will NEVER go through and there's been way too much scare mongering going on.
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Posted: Jun 25th 2009 9:12AM (Unverified) said

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Once again our communications minister proves he knows absolutely nothing about the internet or the changing moral zeitgeist

Stop wasting tax payer money on stupid, easily bypassable filters, and spend it on something worthwhile, like catching the disgusting people creating the child pornography. Oh wait, you kind of forgot thats the reason the filter was being emplaced in the first place, wasn't it?

Conroy, Fielding, Xenophon - the three people in our government who may as well be fundementalists; they truely are that stupid.

Posted: Jun 25th 2009 9:25AM nomoredroids said

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You're implying fundamentalists are stupid: most of them are not, they merely subscribe to a more rigid moral code. Do you really believe "fundamentalist" is congruous with "stupid?" I've met many a fundamentalist who is not stupid, and a great many very stupid people who are not fundamentalists.

But don't believe that I think this story is good news or that I agree with it - I believe in the freedom of speech and media expression. I also believe in the fair treatment of your fellows; your communications minister apparently believes in none of those ideals.
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Posted: Jun 25th 2009 9:53AM Meagen said

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David: You don't know what "fundamentalist" means, do you.
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Posted: Jun 25th 2009 10:26AM (Unverified) said

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For the record; I never meant religious fundamentalist. Yes, thats the common link, but it's not what I meant.

I should probably word it better. The link between fundamentalists and stupidity was not the angle I was looking for.

I meant that those three politicians are renowned for sticking to their narrowed minded belief systems. Which is all well and good; everyone's allowed their own opinions and can live life how they want.

But when you're in power, and people are presenting logical, rational and reasoned arguments as for why this idea is economically, ethically and morally wrong, and you still stick to your guns, that is when the problem arises. Conroy specifically, has not actually shown why any of these arguments are wrong, but sticks to his "hurr durr child pornography" arguments. Oh, and "the russian mafia" did it. That was good for a laugh.

Yes, its a delusional view, but I like to think that politicians have a duty to rebut these arguments, especially when the plan is at the tax payers expense.

Conroy doesn't seem to have any understanding of the technology he is dealing with. As pointed out by that network engineer from Internode (name is lost on me), the logistics of not only implementing it, but getting it to work effectively, are almost impossible at the current state of technology. When you refuse to even acknowledge things like that, and stick to your belief system, thats when a person living by fundamentalist ideals becomes stupid.


On a slightly off-topic point, did anyone see Fielding's little "no proof of human impact on climate change" decision? That was...interesting...to say the least.
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Posted: Jun 25th 2009 11:03AM (Unverified) said

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Yes, the word 'fundamentalist' (as it is generally used in our society/societies) is synonymous with 'stupid'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalism

Belief in a magical sky fairy oustide of the context of a video game qualifies you as 'stupid', or possibly 'guillible' - or the somewhat less offensive 'silly'.
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Posted: Jun 25th 2009 12:50PM (Unverified) said

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A fundamentalist lacks the ability to distinguish anything beyond basic black and white. He adheres to ideas rigidly with no possibility of compromise.

Thus, is stupid.
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Posted: Jun 25th 2009 1:13PM Its Utakata stupid said

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Fundementalist also make descisions based on beliefs, even if it's wholly lacking of any evidence supporting their claims. Also see: nutter.
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Posted: Jun 25th 2009 2:38PM (Unverified) said

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Posted: Jun 25th 2009 2:39PM (Unverified) said

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(i luv lmgtfy) *silly comment system
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Posted: Jun 25th 2009 9:44AM engrey said

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Glad to be in the big USA here. Where our internet is not capped (yet, still crossing fingers that congress will stop it before it starts. Article here about it...) ok it is but at 250G a month it is nothing to worry about for me.

It looks like Australia is turning more into China censorship wise then any other Western country around.

I feel for my friends down under though, hopefully this does crazy law/idea does not become practice. The gaming industry is a multi-billion dollar group that is now surpassing TV, Movies, and Music in entertantment revenue and value. Wish Mr. Conroy could see that.

Posted: Jun 25th 2009 2:31PM Russell Clarke said

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Heh, wait and see what Obama's shiny new 'cyber command' brings to the party.
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Posted: Jun 25th 2009 9:58AM (Unverified) said

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Are they going to block TV shows and movies too?

Posted: Jun 25th 2009 2:27PM nomoredroids said

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Eventually I'm sure they will. This is a slippery-slope Australia's on.
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Posted: Jun 25th 2009 10:00AM Muskie said

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....-seethes- This man needs to be sacked, Tarred, and Feathered. I'm honestly willing to move back to a liberal government just to get this man out of his seat. Already, the scope of the "filter" is beginning to creep, and it hasn't even begun yet.

www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com . check it. bookmark it. Fight for your freedom to Play games, damnit!

Posted: Jun 25th 2009 11:29AM dudes said

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See you Oz. Man, your government are harsh. And I thought Australia was the land of fun, beer and surf.

Looks like the surf bit will be less intended for the web soon. :'-(

Posted: Jun 25th 2009 11:40AM (Unverified) said

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Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt! Woo! Go Go Stupid Politicians!

(sarcasm, the cheering for politicians, stick them all in a blender with the lawyers)

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