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Posted: Jun 10th 2009 2:42PM ultimateq said

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The whole scandal is kind of cool. It's awesome that such things happen in a virtual world. I do feel bad for the concerned parties. But the idea that a virtual world can evolve in such a way is very fascinating.

Posted: Jun 10th 2009 4:13PM Psychotic Storm said

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EVE lacks a player driven system to enforce law, but that is something we know, it is too complicated to be implemented and its easier to have people steal each other without any legal action be taken.

I have to disagree thought that if something similar happened real life there would be legal action, legal action would only be if the person remained in the country or in countries that were not willing to give him asylum.

Posted: Jun 10th 2009 4:34PM Crsh said

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There's no failproof way to add this; the obvious danger is that some people would easily abuse it to make others' in-game lives miserable.

CCP has a policy of not interfering with in-game affairs and I'm glad they're sticking to that; yes there were one or two big "whoops" incidents over the years, regardless.
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Posted: Jun 10th 2009 4:30PM Graill440 said

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To those that dont understand what happened, you need only understand this, Ingame mechanics that require real life information and real life actions (think finding out you friends password while your visiting their home then using it). are the prime reason for this.

They can close this failure mechanism, they could create mechanics ingame that alert other players "things not quite right" are happening, but CCP will not do so. CCP doesnt pay me enough to hand out solutions to problems, blogged or otherwise.

And people are suprised when these things happen? Talk about heads in the sandbox.....

Posted: Jun 10th 2009 5:24PM (Unverified) said

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So EVE has yet to learn from the real world? Art imitating life I guess. It's sad that even in EVE people like Madoff exist.

Personally I always found my alt to be the best bank I could ever have.

Posted: Jun 10th 2009 8:50PM (Unverified) said

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Does your alt pay interest?

EBANK and the other EVE banks do. That's why people invest in them, they are taking a risk and receiving a return, just like real-world investments. And if LaVista's assurance that investors will not lose their money due to this theft is solid, it looks like it was a sensible investment still, despite this theft.
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Posted: Jun 10th 2009 6:59PM (Unverified) said

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As has happened many times and will happen many times again, people get way too wrapped up in placing their faith in someone who they see as a character. A billionaire who has this ambition to be a part of a really super big bank and then realizes how much real world currency he can get and steals. Well, duh!

The EBANK people may have good intentions but they really need to preface their comments with something like, "Your money is safe until the next guy steals it and then it may or may not be safe,"

Posted: Jun 10th 2009 10:57PM Brendan Drain said

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What I find fascinating was that he was only able to steal 9%. While that's significant, that means 91% was secured in ways that the CEO, primary investment banker and leader of the entire endevour couldn't access.

I'm a little surprised that so little was taken. If he'd planned it a little better, Ricdic could easily have pulled another 400b or so out of various customers and investors over the course of a month before "cashing out".

Posted: Jun 11th 2009 4:36AM Psychotic Storm said

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I suspect he didn't want to raise suspicions and stole little at a time since he was involved in RMT and probably planned on doing so for a long time.

If that's the case EVE bank was lucky.
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Posted: Jun 11th 2009 5:30AM (Unverified) said

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Mr Storm,

I would agree, if he had this planned, he would have done it over a longer period of time.

I have had a look at the records we have. Everything points to it being a knee-jerk reaction, which was a result of him having real-life issues, and him not being able to justify a 275bill loss he occured on us, just recently.

This is fairly well in line with what he claimed himself, in a private conversation with me. I do however have very large doubts about the claimed real-life amounts he got from the RMT.

At present, we are looking over all our assets, and things seems to add up. So the bank is still very sound, and not in a bad state.
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Posted: Jun 11th 2009 9:58AM wjowski said

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It's like Darkfall for coherent adults.

Posted: Jun 12th 2009 9:59AM (Unverified) said

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Mweh, hardly surprising to be honest.

What boggles me though is that he RMT'd the money, I'm sorry but woudn't that isk be easily traceable by CCP and just resulted in the seller aswell as the buyer getting themselves banned?

I realise that Ricdic got banned but I'd be very interested to know what happened to the buyers and wether or not Ricdic got the cash in the end. 200b isk should be quite a bit of real life money, guessing anywhere between 2-5k USD.

Either way though it's a fairly shitty thing to do, I could care less about the be or not to be of Ebank but for the people of Ebank this has got to have been a fairly severe blow.

Posted: Jun 12th 2009 6:35PM (Unverified) said

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in the case of CSM's, as part of being voted into the csm position, their real names and country of origin were revealed, as well as the CSM proving their actions (if they voted for or against certain things, etc.) over the time they held the position... guess it can be sliced down to just "trust" for someone who you can track the actions of

Posted: Jun 14th 2009 11:14PM (Unverified) said

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I have deposits with EvE Bank and I'm not worried at all. They have been around for a long time and I'm sure that will continue. I'm shocked and saddened by the news, I aways had a lot of respect for Ricdic and what he created. But the fact the CEO Ricdic could not steal more isk than he did shows that their security is pretty damn good. I trust them and will continue to bank with them.

Posted: Jun 16th 2009 8:33PM (Unverified) said

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Eve is always flaunted as the most real-world mmo ever and then stuff like this happens and I scratch my head. There needs to be some sort of in-game law system. Just look at poor BoB... sure we were all like, that's cool, but I think ultimately it showed how broken and flawed Eve is.

Posted: Jul 16th 2009 4:17AM (Unverified) said

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Your right, eves doesn't have the best justice system, the fact that a trustworthy corp mate or friend can use ingame methods and steal all your hard work is totally legal and a part of the game.

Does it happen often? No, most players are totally legit and care about their reputation as a player. Every once in a while a major scam/corp theft happens and its zomg SCAM, EVE IS TERRIBLE.

Its like CNN putting out stories of shark attacks, on the rise, and its now a danger to swim in any sort of oceanic waters, when in fact shark attacks account for a very low % of all swimming related injuries/deaths.

I have never been scammed in eve, nor have i scammed anyone or corp iv been in, and iv been playing eve for over 4 years, I even lead a corp at one time. There are actions you can take ingame that can help eliminate your chanches of being scammed, for corps theres things you can do to protect yourself.

Sometimes the old saying, "if it looks too good to be true, it probably is" is all you need to avoid a scam.

Remember, as far as scams go, Trust is something that is hard to gain, but easily lost.

And as far as Band of brothers losing their alliance and sov the way they did, I believe this should not have been able to happen the way it did. ONE guy betrayed his alliance and killed everything they did for the past however many years. You would think such a major dicision as closing an alliance would require some kind of joint vote/agreement thru a ingame mecahnic, however that is a oversite on CCPs part.

However i cannot hold ccp responsible because it is impossible for a game developer to predict all the clever way players can use game mechanics that is not intended.

While im happy band of brothers is finally defeated and dead, the way they went makes me sad. It should have been on the field of battle not by internal conflict

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