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Posted: Jun 10th 2009 12:39PM Ripper McGee said

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I don't play Eve, so I don't fully understand the scenario, but isn't it a sandbox game in which politics, piracy and theft play huge roles? Why would they ban his account if he was playing within the legitimate confines of the game? it seems like he succeeded in playing the political/financial metagame.

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Posted: Jun 10th 2009 12:42PM (Unverified) said

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Hi Ripper,

The theft and (presumably) scamming isn't why he was banned, as this is allowed in the game. It's the fact that he was attempting to cash out for real world money that got him banned by CCP.
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Posted: Jun 10th 2009 2:00PM karnisov said

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yeah he was involved in RMT, thats y he was banned.
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Posted: Jun 10th 2009 2:22PM Ripper McGee said

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Ahh - thanks for clarifying. That definitely makes more sense.

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Posted: Jun 10th 2009 12:40PM (Unverified) said

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To be honest, it's just a matter of time with that amount of ISK.

Posted: Jun 10th 2009 12:42PM (Unverified) said

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One of the acronyms RMT stands for is "real money transfer," which implies that this person stole the funds and then sold them to other people for real world money. In other words, the EVE version of gold selling, a bannable offense in many games.

Posted: Jun 10th 2009 12:47PM Thac0 said

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Thats silly, i don't think this guy should be banned.

CCP allows the trading and selling of Game Time Cards (GTC) for isk. CCP also allows the stealing and scamming of ISK in game. If this guy bought a lot of GTC with the stolen ISK and sold them for cash and made a profit good for him. This is what I assume he did and he beat CCP at their own game, they got mad and banned him. Screw them if this is the case.

Posted: Jun 10th 2009 2:03PM (Unverified) said

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Thats not how GTC work, you need to be an official re-seller to actually be able to sell GTC for real money. Since you aren't selling GTC that someone already created via ccp, but instead brand new ones straight from CCP
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Posted: Jun 10th 2009 10:41PM Brendan Drain said

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They used to let you do this, buying game time codes with isk and then selling them on for cash. I petitioned it once to ask a GM if it was OK and a senior GM informed me that as long as it was done that way, it was all above board. This policy changed, however, with the release of the secure game time code transaction methods and most recently the in-game pilots license extension. Using these systems, the actual code itself is never visible to the buyer so resale for cash is impossible.

Using the official GTC-for-isk trade system, the codes you buy are directly credited to your account when purchased. And the pilot's license items are in-game items created when a player cashes in a game time code, allowing the game time to be sold on the in-game market. To try and sell that code for cash in any way would be classed as RMT and thus isn't allowed.
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Posted: Jun 10th 2009 1:13PM LaughingTarget said

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I bet he works for AIG.

Posted: Jun 10th 2009 1:16PM Myria said

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What confuses me is why anyone at all would have trusted this or any player-run (or, given their reputation for helping friends, CCP-run) in-game institution. In any system where betrayal is a sacrament, trust should be an anathema, and yet this sort of thing keeps happening. It defies explanation.

If there's one thing I've learned in my time playing Eve it's that it is a game where you should never, ever, ever trust anyone. Hell, it's best if you don't talk to anyone, and if at all possible don't be anywhere near anyone. The only two things you can be sure of if you see a player ship is that, given the chance, they intend to kill you, cheat you, or both.

Posted: Jun 10th 2009 2:08PM (Unverified) said

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EveBank is in large part backed by LaVista Vista, an ex member of CSM, and thus a real person that people really on. It's been going fine for years, and this will probably not cause any true issues for ebank.
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Posted: Jun 10th 2009 2:37PM (Unverified) said

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As Tyranor said, I have been involved with the CSM the last year.

This event isn't going to cause us problems to the degree that it will kill us. It will take a bit extra work on our part. But that's it.

And I will naturally be at fanfest this year. Find me there. I'm really a real person ;)
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Posted: Jun 10th 2009 2:41PM Myria said

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I'm unclear on why someone having been a CSM would matter in the least?

That aside, the notion that a bank can lose 8.6% of its assets to theft, that frankly it's not possible to assure that such theft won't happen again, and that the only reason the thief is being punished is because they hurt (by however small an amount) CCP's bottom line and not because they stole from the bank (id est, had the thief simply sat on the money they'd have not been punished AT ALL, there is no inherent deterrent), the notion that all of this wouldn't have a lasting effect on the bank is mind boggling.
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Posted: Jun 10th 2009 1:20PM (Unverified) said

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Nobody cares this isnt eveonlinenews.com

Posted: Jun 10th 2009 2:38PM ultimateq said

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No, this is Massively, MMO news in general. Last time I checked this game is an MMO, thus giving reason to post the article on Massively.com.

What do you think they should be posting about, if not general MMO news? Besides, no one is forcing you to read this article. You can take your... what's that thing called again?... Oh yeah, MOUSE, and scroll down past the article. Yet you insist on coming into the article to bash the website, article and all interested parties; because you don't think that news relating to an MMO belongs on a website that reports on MMO news.
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Posted: Jun 10th 2009 1:22PM (Unverified) said

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If anyone still thinks CCP is a "good" company they don't know the history behind them and cheating. What started the whole current "world war" between the two large factions was the fact that GM's were granting their corp/alliance free BPO's for bpo's that were supposed to be leaked into the economy through a lottery system.

When CCP found out that the way players caught them (numerous GM's involved, also including devs) was that their forums were hacked by another player they banned him for "account sharing".

All this info shown also that the alliance in question had a "bat line" emergency contact to GM's for when things went wrong, numerous cases of them getting ship replacements in fleet fights where the other "side" didn't and other numerous favoritism and exploits that benefited their alliance.

It was one of the main reasons I quit playing eve, all games have cases of dev/gm cheating its human nature, but the fact that ccp ignored/ignores it and posts excuses for them and bans anyone that brings it to light was enough for me.

after 4 years of eve I finally threw in my towel and gave up. Great game ruined by the fact that the company behind it allows the kind of junk that they do. Sony even with all their problems at least fires employees who cheat by giving their friends a leg up.

Posted: Jun 10th 2009 2:10PM (Unverified) said

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The alliance in question has been beaten to a bloody pulp right now. Brough down by a few clicks of a mouse and the mistake to stay in a npc station and then being camped for over a month day and night while their old lands got conquered one system at a time

Right now, the alliance is nothing. A bunch of stragglers trying to re-conquer querios and delve but they just keep being beaten up. Their reputation as "elite" pvp alliance sullied since its pretty obvious that the only reason they where able to mantain their space was because of game design, sov mechanics and GM involvement.
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Posted: Jun 10th 2009 2:37PM (Unverified) said

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At this point, we internally at EBANK, are working hard to trying to solve this whole issue out.

Let it be known that customers are NOT going to lose their ISK.

As the article said, we have a pretty large reserve. We are going to shrink EBANK to a more managable size. And we are not going to let any of your customers lose any ISK.

We have put together an action team and we have a routemap layed out in front of us. Right now, it's just a matter of time, before EBANK is back to normal.

However, we are deeply shocked over the RMT involvement that it turns out that Ricdic took part in recently. A lot of us have invested a lot of time into this. Seeing it being taken a crap on like this, has affected us deeply. As such, it has slightly complicated the whole situation that we have a RMT-aspect to this case.

If Massively is interested in bringing a larger story on this, or if you guys have any questions, just let me know. Post in here, contact me in-game or email me.

Posted: Jun 10th 2009 2:39PM (Unverified) said

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Ehhh, I chipped out of EVE somewhere between my first and second billionth ISK. I saw the end-game blob-wars and learned all about how sovereignty and such worked... trained up to be an Obelisk pilot, flew battleships, etc etc...

The game has several awesome, awesome systems, but without further development of those awesome systems, they just highlight the missing portions.

For example... you can be a "bank" in EVE, but you can't "repossess" things. You can be a "Casino" in EVE, but there's no drawback if someone buys a bunch of chips and then you laugh at them and tell them you haven't any real games. In real life, this would result in lawsuits and seizure of assets. In EVE, this results in nothing. That's not to mention that the casinos can straight up cheat people by having unwinnable games.

You can't run an insurance company because the system doesn't exist in game. Trusting people results in scams... this means buying stock, or any other sort of financial attempts can easily result in "haha, I just take your money and leave."

Add this to:
1) Infinitely long training arc (You are a noob for literally 2+ years now).
2) Infinitely hassle-filled process for re-arming a ship for PVP.
3) Infinitely huge BLOB PVP being par for the course.
4) Reasonably sized PVP comes in the form of a gatecamp, where you and your mates are popped one by one as you shoot through, even when you try to coordinate your efforts.
5) CCP literally cheating the system...
6) T2 BPOs only available via invention while older players get to keep theirs? No way to make a new production company that can compete with that...

etc, etc etc... the list goes on and on, and the game is only fun and balanced if you FORCE yourself to have fun, and you IGNORE the imbalances.

It is strictly for people who want to wield power over others... if you got into it because it was cool sci-fi and the spaceships seemed like fun, well, your horizon of gameplay exists until exactly the moment in which you decide to venture into 0.0 space (which could be months, or even years).

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