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Posted: May 25th 2009 7:43PM Graill440 said

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300k "paying" subscribers is not correct. I have called the CCP offices, they refuse to release or confirm (create your own "who are you to ask" answer to save time) the numbers due to subscription fluctuation, so where does massively get its numbers? (300k) that has been thrown around for the last year on this and other sites, it seems that number is the yearly average for any company unwilling to release true numbers an wants a palusible deniability cushion.

If EVE had close to that, then at peak times the customer base online would show it, it NEVER does, nor does it even come close. To my knowledge EVE has never broken the 100k online barrier, your going to tell me that nearly a quarter million folks, whom are paying for a game wont log on at some point to have that online number show this? Even by chance?

Call an apple an apple or an orange an orange, they are both fruit, no mater how you try describe otherwise.

As for competition, if jumpgate or any new space genre mmo leaves the combat and flight models like EVE (on the rails) then EVE will have no worries as it is established and still has excellent eye candy, right now looking at jumpgate, other than it being "new" EVE wont suffer much because they will offer nothing new other than looks.

EVE, as i have said time after time, could morph into a giant if CCP did what they should to the game.

Posted: May 25th 2009 8:12PM Brendan Drain said

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Must you troll every post about EVE?

CCP does not refuse to release numbers, they send out press releases every now and then in which they post official numbers and further clarify that those are the numbers of active, paid accounts. See here: http://www.ccpgames.com/press/press_releases.asp?pressReleaseID=57 (That took me about 30 seconds to find on google by the way).

The peak concurrent user record is over 50k out of 300k subscribers, which represents 1/6th of the entire userbase being online at the same time by chance at global peak play time, which is sunday evening. That's about average for an MMO, no MMO gets the majority of its accounts logged in at the same time. Did you really expect it to be above 100k? That's over a third of the total number of accounts. Name me a single global MMO that has had over a third of their total subscribed accounts logged in at the same time.

EVE is not played by robots, it's played by people from around the world who all have jobs, committments and the need to sleep. They play an average of a few hours a day and, due to timezones, that means people will be playing at different times based on geographical location. EVE has a huge userbase with the largest segments in the UK, America and Russia as well as smaller percentages of players in other parts of the world (this information obtained from CCP's financial reports).
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Posted: May 25th 2009 8:59PM Dblade said

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To be fair brendan, I myself distrust a lot of official figures for games, they don't tell a lot of the story. Chalk it up to being a FFXI player, who by their own account has stayed at 500k subscribers for years.

With EVE or even any MMO you have to ask how many of those accounts are multi-boxed to the same player, and aren't really indicative of population. In FFXI sometimes it seems everyone has a multi-boxed pl with them.
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Posted: May 25th 2009 8:05PM (Unverified) said

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Reakktor aren't newcomers to the MMO market - they've published Neocron in 2002 and have been running it ever since. Neocron was one of the first MMO FPS/RPG hybrid games, if not the first.

Posted: May 25th 2009 8:13PM Brendan Drain said

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Interesting, I didn't know about that. I'm a little more optimistic about BP now knowing that the studio has a previous MMO under their belt. BP looks amazing but the gameplay is what will make or break it.
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Posted: May 25th 2009 8:23PM (Unverified) said

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Could we have a SINGLE day when we don't get a bazillion posts about frickin' EVE on this site? OMG, please either get more people posting non EVE stuff, get the 87 posts about EVE down to ONE (GASP!) per day (which is more than *I* would like), or just rename the damn site to massivelyEVE.com already.

holy GOD.

Posted: May 25th 2009 8:24PM Brendan Drain said

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No offence but this is a weekly column I write about EVE Online. To expect something other than EVE on it is lunacy.
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Posted: May 25th 2009 9:02PM (Unverified) said

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Not to mention that Massively covers both released and in-development MMOs. Of the released ones, Eve is one of the most established and successful (arguably #2 in the world of Western subscription MMOs), so of course it's going to get a fair bit of coverage.
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Posted: May 26th 2009 12:16AM SgtBaker said

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Benjamin, you should come and play EVE, we do enjoy the public show of bitter carebear tears.

Obvious reply troll is obvious. :-)
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Posted: May 26th 2009 3:11AM agitatedandroid said

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This may come as a huge shock but, you see, the thing is, CCP and EVE have something to report. Unlike some games where you can go weeks without something new or interesting happening in this or that game EVE always has something to report.

Sometimes its a new Chronicle. On occasion it's a patch. Once in a while it's some ridiculous game changing bit of drama brought on by player interaction. Now and again it's the release of some insane machinima like Clear Skies and its sequel.

And, as Brendan has explained every time a troll complains that Massively publishes too much about EVE (really? too much? there's such a thing as too much news about a game?) this is a weekly column. It really can't be helped if in between these weekly posts there's other great EVE news (maybe not great to you but, to someone).

Would I like news about something else as well? Yes. It's just poor luck for other games that they don't have as involved a community as EVE does or that they haven't as yet elicited enough interest to get someone fired up to write a post, weekly, for Massively.

Is there a game that you're passionate about the way Brendan is with regards to EVE? Want to see weekly posts about that game? I suggest you write them.
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Posted: May 26th 2009 2:38AM StormDK said

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And I still don't see how hard it is *NOT* to click the link, but oh well.

Keep up the good work Brendan - I'm the other way, I only ever read the EVE posts ;)

Posted: May 26th 2009 4:41AM (Unverified) said

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I play Eve and i do think the numbers are a total lie of 300k paid subs. At any given time you login in at a peak Euro, Asia time slot there will be between 30k-52k players but mostly on weekends. The average i have seen during US time slots to be about 25k-33k. So if you are a math wiz and calculate the numbers of 300k its a small percentage i could never understand.

About CCP/Eve having competition to other new sci-fi games, the only thing i see would be a small intrest of subscribers to Jumgate Evolution and Star Trek Online. Jumpgate i think will be an epic fail due to FPS type fighters of different sizes and roles. If i wanted to play Jumpgate i could just install X-Wing or Tie Fighter from back in the day. Now Star Trek looks very intresting to me. If it is like Eve without the PvP i would switch over in a second. Im pretty sure a massive amount of Star Trek gamer fans would drop all their RTS games to play online with others.

The Star Wars MMO looks really what i would be more into, Most of my games have been fantasy mmo's, but the graphics and professions of SW look great and more up my ally. Till a new type of game comes out ill still be playing Eve although its getting boring to play.

Posted: May 26th 2009 6:05AM (Unverified) said

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Calling Reakktor newcomers to MMOs is an odd thing for a company that has been in the business since 2001 or so. Neocron was their previous (and still running) release. Opinion is split on it, but regardless they do claim to have learned a lot from both their errors and successes there.

Also, while there will inevitably be some comparisons with EvE as they have the same setting, expect Black Prophecy to in reality be a very different game to EvE. Planetside in space or MechWarrior:Mercenaries MMO are probably better comparisons: http://www.prophecy-network.com/thoughts-and-speculation/41-gameplay-speculation

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