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Posted: May 8th 2009 11:26AM Myria said

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Robin Hood and Bonny and Clyde are names people remember (albeit probably not for anything they actually did). griefers are just some arse who corpse camped someone for three hours but whose name no one can remember.

No comparison at all.

A griefer is not a rebel. A griefer is not an outlaw. Griefers are in no way romantic. Griefers are in no way sympathetic. They don't have a cause, they don't want to make a point, they don't change the world in any meaningful way. They're just pseudo-functional sociopaths who get off on inflicting harm on others and choose to do so (at least partially) in an environment where the consequences of their actions will be minimal to nonresistant.

At best they're pathetic, at worst disgusting.

In most games there isn't the possibility of being a rebel or outlaw, the relatively tight rulesets and controlled environments just don't allow for it. Games that do (Eve being the only one that comes to mind) tend to be shunned by many exactly because they do. Most people feel if they wanted to be held up at gunpoint they'd move to New York.

Oddly enough, most games do allow griefing, with only minimal effort put into slowing it down. It's a standing joke in WoW that most of the PvP that goes on in PvP servers is level eighties ganking lowbies in Stranglethorn Vale. This is true of most games where PvP is allowed or, especially, encouraged -- people rarely want fair and even fights.
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Posted: May 8th 2009 11:40AM Thac0 said

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Would you want a fair or even fight IRL? Nope. You'd only fight if you could win; I don't see why anyone expects a game should be any different.
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Posted: May 8th 2009 12:01PM Snow Leopard said

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@THACO
I think you’re confusing surviving a real-life brawl with actual fun competition in a game. Yeah, I wouldn’t want to fight some guy who I knew was going to crush me, but I sure as hell wouldn’t go around beating up weaklings who didn’t do anything to me. That would make me a prick.

If we’re talking about competition here, then let’s think about how people handle competition in reality. If one team is getting creamed over and over again, you put them in a different league with people of their own skill level. You don’t keep them in the A Division and watch people tear them apart. Secondly, you don’t let a 25 year old body-builder join an elementary school wrestling tournament. It’s not fun for the person whose cards are obscenely stacked against them and if it is fun for the player who’s constantly winning, then they need to seriously grow up and look for some better competition.

Overall, preying on the weak doesn’t make either of us a better player.
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