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Posted: May 4th 2009 5:14PM (Unverified) said

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Here is an adult term that characterizes this situation quite well -- cluster f___.

I don't know who LL believe they are placating with this utter nonsense. With the exception of one or two poor souls who will be singled out (just as they did with gaming), it will be business as usual. If you equate it to Cable TV, hard core porn pay-per-view will be the Adult area but they (LL) refuse to be clear as to whether Mature will be Cinemax or Spike TV on a Friday night.

Posted: May 4th 2009 5:20PM (Unverified) said

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Personally I consider that this is certainly a precursor to a merge between teen and adult grids - oh, not a straight merge, that would be pointless as there isn't a lot on the teen grid anyway. Rather, allowing teens onto the main SL grid, to fulfil this bizarre idea that LL seem to have that the future of SL is in "education" (despite their lack of money and legendary parsimoniousness). This will begin in certain areas with specific permissions, and eventually spread to everywhere.

Posted: May 4th 2009 11:33PM (Unverified) said

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I'm sort of thinking more in the other direction - bringing more adults to TSL. The current process is expensive and time-consuming.
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Posted: May 4th 2009 6:12PM (Unverified) said

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The issues of child avatars in Ursula was addressed at the second-to-last Brown Bag by yours truly, and jibes with the answer you got for your update.

Posted: May 4th 2009 11:35PM (Unverified) said

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Alas, I wasn't able to cover any of the brown-bags, without transcripts.
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Posted: May 4th 2009 8:31PM (Unverified) said

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Here's what has not been addressed adequately:

1. People who bought land on Mature thinking that was Adult will apparently only get to move to the Adult continent if their content is naughty enough. That leaves a number of stores, clubs & residents in limbo. Should they keyword their current mature stuff to force an Adult move or to run the risk of being AR'd in the future?

2. The massive scale of the move has not been thought through. Linden Labs claims it's only 2% of existing content and builds. Most people think it could be more like 25%.

3. Adult verification DOES NOT WORK. People have verified through Aristotle using dead peoples info and fake info. A recent large land owner turned on Adult access to one of her sims as a test. No one, even those who were verified, could get in.

4. The "tested" adult keywords are being maintained on at http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Adult_Content_Keywords since Linden Labs will not publish a list. Since they won't publish a list, this makes it somewhat difficult to write "Mature" ads or parcel descriptions without running afoul of the bad words. It is silly that "slut" and "sex" are two words that will trigger the adult filters.

5. The filters, as they stand, don't actually filter out the bad words themselves in ads or descriptions. They simply exclude them as search terms. The returned results can and do have far worse language than the words being excluded.

6. The potential for malicious use of the Abuse Report process will go up exponentially.

7. Many far simpler and far better solutions have been proposed by residents but these have so far fallen on deaf ears.

8. A public JIRA issue request a halt to the implementation of all this has reached 2500 votes in less than a week.

I believe truly adult content needs to be separated from "PG" but the current plans are not the way to do it and will in fact, make the situation worse.

Posted: May 5th 2009 12:36AM (Unverified) said

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What would *really* be interesting is if there was a matching JIRA in support of the changes - and we could see how many votes that accumulated in contrast to the votes against.

It'd be fascinating to compare.
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Posted: May 4th 2009 9:35PM (Unverified) said

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It's quite obvious why people keep seeing this as a precursor to merging the teen and adult grids "There are no immediate plans", which is patently obvious as you have to do the stage they're currently doing before it even becomes feasible.

They're making a humungous mess of this and consistently ignore the issues of mixed use private islands, as if it's not even an issue when it's their damn policy that is causing the problem.

They said they weren't looking to ban the sale of sex beds on mature land, only sex will be a filtered word so only people with adult search will be able to find something that is apparently deemed mature and the same goes for anybody trying to sell Gorean clothing and buildings, which aren't even technically mature.

They haven't yet changed their new PG definition that basically implies PG land is for RL business and education only, the "No social reference to alcohol" is still there, what sort of version PG they've dug out is beyond me but it's not one I'm familiar with.

They should be dealing with the PG sims on mainland bordering mature sims now, this is the ideal time to fix that mess.

The search results aren't a glitch, they're by design. Fortunately it's RC 0 and plenty of time to fix that poor design I hope, otherwise this goes way beyond being about separating adult content and creating a predictable experience and way into creating an unholy mess.

A plan that should have gained support from all over the community is being so badly implemented and sold that it's causing hassle to people with no interest whatsoever in adult content, I mean really, how can they be making such a mess of this.

Posted: May 4th 2009 11:46PM (Unverified) said

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Somebody please- reply to my comment to educate me why the f*** [elided] people outside of this MMO would want to know this ><

I am sorry but... I never understood the drama behind the processes of Second Life, at least, considering how unpopular it is in comparison to all other MMO's, including ones that have been running and currently available for 8 years.

Sorry for the hate~ I just do not understand T_T

Posted: May 4th 2009 11:42PM (Unverified) said

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Please try to watch your language :)

Actually, by the figures, Second Life is edging up to Everquest's peak popularity. Due to a glitch in the statistical feeds over the weekend, some data was missed, but it may now have overtaken it and be more popular than Everquest ever actually was.

Also, as you may have gathered by now, many Second Life users come here for news and opinion pieces about Second Life and sometimes about other MMOGs (some, but not all of them are also MMO gamers). Generally, they just skip over the articles that are about things that do not interest them.

And if you think this is dramatic, just remember what happened to a certain guy who a Blizzard GM sent a shirt to :) http://www.massively.com/2009/05/03/gm-item-scandal-rocks-wow/ or the last time one of the big MMOG classes got a nerf ;)
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Posted: May 5th 2009 1:17AM (Unverified) said

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Awww someone needs a hug. :)
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Posted: May 5th 2009 1:17AM (Unverified) said

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Based on who reads and posts in the SL Forums and in the JIRAs and how much the in-world sentiment is running against the changes, probably not many would vote for it. But it's certainly within any resident's power to create a new issue to parallel it. The problem is that the JIRA is meant for solving problems. Creating an issue to say "this is working right" would not "technically" be an appropriate use. The "stop now" JIRA is borderline but does call out how badly something is perceived to be broken. :)

Posted: May 5th 2009 12:40PM (Unverified) said

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I actually view the whole issue upside down :)

First, I second Moe Green's comment: I also don't think there will be "massive changes", but isolated cases here and there (which probably LL already has in mind anyway), just like (almost) everything in the past.

On the other side of the coin... I view Linden Lab's move as _incredibly bold_. They now are, in fact, one of the very few social websites that _encourage_ adult content! They are even building _a whole new red light district_ *just for adult content*! Now imagine what this means. The whole world — starting with the fiasco of the Facebook ToS — is getting more and more Puritan, banning more and more so-called "adult content", interfering more and more with the adults' right of doing what they wish in their privacy... and Linden Lab took the exact opposite view. Violence and very-hard-core porn? No problem! Come to us! We *allow* it! We *encourage* it! We even have a place inside SL *just for you*!

Imagine if XTube were actually a "reserved area" of Google's YouTube, and that Google would actually *encourage* YT users to move over to that special area instead of banning them...

Well, that's pretty much what LL is doing now in SL. In fact, I guess that the ones more worried about this change are the people behind the Red Light Center MMOG (http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/commentary/sexdrive/2006/08/71530). Second Life's Red Light District will be *way* more interesting, and with even less inhibitions and limitations! (RLC's site is down at the moment I write this, but the Wikipedia page for it claims over 3 million members: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Light_Center)

/me also sends a hug to Kaamos. It is indeed very wise of you to recognise that your lack of understanding leads to your irate comment. That's usually the case, but the first step to deal with your anger is admitting lack of knowledge!

Posted: May 5th 2009 5:50PM (Unverified) said

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Fascinating perspective, Gwyneth! You've single-handedly given me something to chew on and discuss amongst my circle of friends.
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Posted: May 5th 2009 4:21PM (Unverified) said

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I love your idea about a vote to see what people really think, Tateru!

I'll set one up in-world tonight and give you a heads-up when it's a go (only takes a couple minutes to do).

I am just not entirely sure how to phrase the question. But I see the multiple choice answers along the lines of ...

1) Three-tiered ratings and segregation is a GOOD thing.
2) Segregation is a BAD thing, leave it as is, or find something better.
3) I really don't care one way or the other. Doesn't bother me.
4) I haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about

Waddaya think?

LOL

Yes, I know people can bring in their alts and call all their friends to vote one way or another, but it will be a fun experiment. and i'll have a running totals in the area, too.

If you'r comfy: email me (you should have it in this post) - would love to have your input. You are genius that way. :)

Posted: May 5th 2009 4:36PM (Unverified) said

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Posted: May 5th 2009 4:48PM (Unverified) said

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Wonderful!

I'm in. :)

Posted: May 5th 2009 10:23PM (Unverified) said

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Ah well, I didnt notice the numbers on this title* specifically.
Still its.. odd thats all, sorry :P

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