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Posted: Apr 28th 2009 7:39PM (Unverified) said

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LOL. I hope that's "hardcore" enough for them.

"I want to play an MMO with CONSEQUENCES!"

LOL. There'll be some unhappy campers watching Spike TV this weekend.

"We don't need that stupid MMO anyway. I liked WoW more anyway. High-five brah!"

Posted: Apr 29th 2009 7:58AM (Unverified) said

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I always find it funny when you hear about this stuff.

"I'm hardcore, bitch! Yeah! So hardcore I need to cheat to play... But that's because I'm HARDCORE!"
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Posted: Apr 28th 2009 7:58PM (Unverified) said

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that is only if all the cheaters banned were all cheaters

Posted: Apr 28th 2009 8:12PM (Unverified) said

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I wish they would not ban cheaters because that means they will just look for other games to infest -- just like termites. Let them call Darkfall "home" so they stay out of MY games. :-P

I hope all gankers, corpse/respawn campers and level-locking twinks find a "happy place" in Darkfall too.

Hell, while I am offending a bunch of people, Darkfall should also offer RMT options for raid-level gear so all of the store-bought heroes can join them.

Ok, I'm done. Fire away.

Posted: Apr 28th 2009 8:25PM J Brad Hicks said

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If EA/Mythic would do this, I'd be back to WAR in a heartbeat. Go, Adventurine.

Posted: Apr 28th 2009 8:34PM (Unverified) said

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Aventurine.
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Posted: Apr 28th 2009 9:15PM (Unverified) said

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Kudos.

Posted: Apr 28th 2009 9:59PM Keen and Graev said

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Only 3,000 more to go!

Posted: Apr 28th 2009 10:03PM Ripper McGee said

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1) Kudos to Aventurine for banning cheaters. Cheaters suck!

2) According to Tasos' announcement, this only affects third-party hack cheaters, not macroers. There's some dispute on the boards about whether or not certain macros (auto-loot, for example) constitute cheating and are ban worthy. The volunteer forum mods (they're not Aventurine employees) say yes, but some posters say no, especially since attended macroing is allowed and most macros use third-party tools. Also, while non-attended macroing isn't allowed, it's still happening, therefore there's still a substantial amount of "cheating" going on that wasn't addressed in this ban.

3) Personally, I don't think Aventurine has nearly as good a handle on cheaters as Tasos indicates. The developer for one of two cheats I know about stated in his public forums that he has over 300 users for his product. On top of that, at least one user of the other product stated he was caught in the ban, too. That means users of at least two products were banned, but one of those products has at least 300 users. I don't know how many the other does, but it's probably not too much of a stretch to guess they have from 100 - 300 users, based on first product's numbers. So, that's up to a possible 600 third-party cheaters, only about 1/3 of which have been banned.

4) There's no way for the average player to know how many subscribers there are in Darkfall and Aventurine hasn't published numbers. That being said, one of the volunteer IRC mods posted that there were 13k+ subscribers (his post has since been removed). If that's true, then the percent of cheaters ranges from 2 - 5% of the total population (assuming 300 - 600 third party cheaters). I'd call 1 in 20 players cheating a pretty serious problem in a pvp-oriented game. Add in the number of unattended macroers and macro cheaters and the % goes up even more. If the number of subscribers is much higher, then Tasos' assertion that cheating is not rampant is true, but unless we get some accurate numbers, we'll never know for sure.

5) I have mixed feelings about the no appeals stance. There's literally no possibility of a mistake? Really? Absolutely none? I find that hard to believe unless Aventurine is scanning your machine, which I believe is allowed, per the EULA (based on a post I saw on the official boards).

Once again, I applaud Aventurine for banning cheaters, but I think there's more to the story than what's been announced.

~Ripper

Posted: Apr 28th 2009 11:13PM Ripper McGee said

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Another interesting twist to this story is that one of the cheaters posted the email he received:

"Hello, This is to inform you that your Darkfall account has been suspended for use of 3rd party cheats. We're afraid this is a permanent ban because we'veconfirmed your account using such exploits. This activity is strictly forbidden by the Terms of Service which you have agreed to and there have been several announcements about our policy reminding users of the possible consequences.

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/sho...d.php?t=150640

When an account is banned it is verified beyond a shadow of a doubt that exploitation is taking place. We do not rely on player or GM reports or on hear say. You were detected, and also verified cheating. You are responsible for canceling your subscription. To cancel your subscription you need to go to the account management page:

https://www.darkfallonline.com/accounts/f/default.php

Remove your credit information by clicking on the link right on top of your billing information. Then go to the products page where you should cancel all active subscriptions if there are any. We cannot discuss this matter with you beyond this notice. Darkfall support will only respond to your requests with automated messages. There is no appeals process.

Thank you,Darkfall Support"

The interesting part about this is that the game account is clearly not synchronized with the subscription. While I personally think it would be funny if a cheater inadvertently paid for months of Darkfall without realizing it, the underlying point is that this probably affects legitimate players, too. I've read stories on various boards about players being able to play even though their cards weren't charged and even more stories of players not being able to play even though their cards WERE charged. This email, if it's legitimate, lends credence to those stories and underscores a failing in Darkfall's account management infrastructure.

As I said in my last post, there are a number of interesting things that have come out as a result of this announcement and I think there's more to the story.
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Posted: Apr 28th 2009 10:23PM Russell Clarke said

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Wouldn't you agree that Aventurine banning players for has ceased to be news?

Posted: Apr 28th 2009 10:28PM Russell Clarke said

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Hmph, that didn't display right! Was meant to say "banning players for (insert reason here)". Tsk!
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Posted: Apr 28th 2009 10:40PM (Unverified) said

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News of cheaters being banned will never be old.

I could start my morning off every day with a hot cup of coffee and an article about cheaters being banned.
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Posted: Apr 28th 2009 10:37PM (Unverified) said

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Awesome!

Even better, maybe this will free up some server slots so I can finally buy the damned game.

Posted: Apr 28th 2009 10:49PM Russell Clarke said

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I'd equate that to having trouble booking a ticket for a holiday in Baghdad :)
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Posted: Apr 28th 2009 11:11PM (Unverified) said

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From what I can see, I have a choice:

Option A) Put up with illiterate, complaining, loot obsessed idiots in WoW who find pushing 4 buttons in sequence too challenging and expect the game to spoon feed them entertainment. Along with a company that will do absolutely anything to placate their spoiled brat playerbase.

Option B) Put up with illiterate, crazed, e-peen obsessed idiots in Darkfall who don't mind a challenge in games and don't expect the game to spoon-feed them entertainment. With a company that takes a firm stance on cheating and exploiting and isn't afraid to ban asshats.

I'm at least going to try it before I draw a conclusion, but I've gained loads of respect for them over the last while for A) not taking shit from their playerbase and B) trying to design a game for players who don't feel that life owes them something just for pitching up.
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Posted: Apr 28th 2009 11:28PM Russell Clarke said

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Good luck with that.
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Posted: Apr 29th 2009 3:02AM wufiavelli said

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ripper you also have to take into account people banned before this massive ban. Also people who might of used the hack once or twice and not since preasure has begun to build.

Posted: Apr 29th 2009 9:09AM (Unverified) said

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Also people who might of used the hack once or twice and not since preasure has begun to build.

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If you knowingly break the rules, it doesn't matter whether it's once or a thousand times.
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Posted: Apr 29th 2009 9:41AM wufiavelli said

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I am not talking about morality of it. i agree with you. I am talking about detectability
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