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Posted: Mar 19th 2009 5:26PM (Unverified) said

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Darkfall is the title that everyone's talking about of late,

Really?

Posted: Mar 20th 2009 8:10PM (Unverified) said

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ah. yes. the hype meter is through the roof. I login each day trying to even get in the game. still can't get an account. too much demanad.
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Posted: Mar 19th 2009 5:32PM (Unverified) said

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Join a decent clan. A lot of people bashing the game aren't in decent clans. It makes all of the difference in the game like this.

Posted: Mar 19th 2009 6:22PM Graill440 said

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The threads in Darkfall indicate not guilds but the "A" type arseholes in charge of those guilds not having the balls or tools to control themselves or their folks, resulting in EVE style play (see lord of the flies). I am quite sure some with no wisdom or experience or maturity for that matter are guild masters and are contributors to the boiling pot.

For those confused at the comparison here it is, kill because you can, gank because you can, ruin gameplay for others because you can, be an asshole because you can. The lone wolf badasses do not exist in this game, only clicks of rabid flies running around and doing what they want when they want, not because they need to.

Remember, even evil need discipline or it will feed on itself and be destroyed, like this game.

The devs touted consequence as a stop gap to prevent "Lord of the flies" type play but that is what the game is degenerating down to at this time and alot of folks dont like it, the consequence is easily circumvented.

Pass.

Posted: Mar 20th 2009 8:11PM (Unverified) said

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that sounds like the type of dribil that comes from people who got PK'd and cried about it.

EVE's freedom and open world PvP is the ultimate in MMO evolution. Everyone can't be Trammal WoW crap.

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Posted: Mar 19th 2009 6:39PM (Unverified) said

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This game sounds like loads of fun as long as you join a powerful guild and go around ganking lone people and smaller groups.

Oh and if you see another group even close to your size, just run away. Don't worry 9 times out of 10 they will be running away too.

Shrug. I give the game a year tops.

Posted: Mar 19th 2009 6:57PM (Unverified) said

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Why is it mindless drones that don't like a game will always say "I give it a year tops"?

Seriously, MMOs have only ever "died" by the developer's hands.

Tabula Rasa: Killed by NCSoft
Auto Assult: Killed by NCSoft
Earth and Beyond: Killed by EA
Fury: Closed by it's developers (name unknown)
Hellgate London: Closed by it's devs (can this be called an MMO at all?)

Those games where closed by the developers because most of these developers only want to see large profit from those games or they cut them loose.

Just the opposite of those above, if you look at all the SOE games you'd see that they've kept almost all of them online. Heck, they've even rescued some games from their developers, such as Pirates of the Burning Seas is now part of their Station Pass thingy.

This is a niche game, that's all it will be. Even after a year or two, I still see this game as being around for a long time. After all, this game had the Duke Nukem Forever Syndrome as being vaporware for well over 6 years.

And, FYI, there are those that said EVE would crash, burn, and shutdown after a year because it's steep learning curve and it's RTT for skills (not to mention the release of WoW shortly after it's release). Well, that game has been slowly growing more and more and has even re-released a new box version this past month with the new (free) expansion and a 60 days gameplay.
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Posted: Mar 19th 2009 7:08PM (Unverified) said

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What you are missing is that I believe the devs have well and truly killed this game.

You could be right, this could be one of the 20 or so MMOs sitting around with a few thousand paying customers. And if so I would still call that dead. You might not, but dang near everyone else in the world would.

Shrug, like I really care what you think anyway. Opening with a insult shows you are so unsure of your position that you have been reduced to name calling.

I have stated my opinion in a civil fashion, one that seems to have upset you. But I was civil.
I would like to request you do the same next time.
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Posted: Mar 20th 2009 8:12PM (Unverified) said

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That is only fun at the start. The real fun starts when the guilds get established and the wars start between them. Then they stop focusing on the individual players and just focus on controlling areas of the world and massacring their enemies.
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Posted: Mar 19th 2009 7:08PM (Unverified) said

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It is not usually these games I dislike, hell a sword and sorcery flavored fps sounds great! It's the personality types these games attract that keep me from trying them. Every kewl kyd and self superior virgin on earth is drawn to "red" games like flies to crap. Not that everyone that plays them is that way, just everyone I have met while trying to play them.
Then again there is something really nice about being able to slaughter a gold spammer.

Posted: Mar 19th 2009 7:13PM (Unverified) said

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Back when I used to play Lineage 2 if you tried to kill the gold farmers (I know you said spammer), you would suddenly find yourself surrounded by several of his co-workers as they killed you over and over until you left.

Every time I tried to farm a item or cash, the area would be being farmed... and if you attacked them... Well you get the point.

So in Lineage 2 I got all the joys of being ganked, and couldn't farm items or money. For some odd reason I stopped paying for my account.

Wonder how long it will take the gold farmers to set up in this game?

Posted: Mar 19th 2009 8:04PM J Brad Hicks said

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Only one piece of advice: get into one of the two biggest guilds on the server, no matter who you have to blow. Everybody else is paying a monthly fee for the privilege of being bullied by those clans. You're either in one of the two biggest clans on the server, or you're a victim. The first time your shadow falls on some Goonswarmer's foot, you will not be able to take one step in the game without 30 to 70 guys showing up to kill you, loot your corpse, and then tea-bag you until you give up and delete your account, unless you have at least 25 to 65 guys online at all times to make it at least minimally difficult.

No, seriously. In an open PvP game, you aren't going to solo anything, and your small guild isn't going to conquer the world. Accept this and suck up to your new overlords, or go play something else.

Posted: Mar 19th 2009 8:36PM (Unverified) said

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Meditate on this thought:

If you were playing a Quake 3 deathmatch, and someone killed you and took your BFG, would you:

a) Quit the game?
b) Go to the forums and whine about you being underpowered and other people needing a nerf?
c) Shrug and go look for a new gun?

A game with consequences for defeat needs to be designed around that concept, and needs to be approached differently by the players.

In EVE, this is the oft-heard slogan "never fly anything you can't afford to lose!" - your ship has to be considered disposable, it's your character's skills (and I guess your bank balance, you can't lose cash from being killed) that defines your progression.

Diablo 2 obviously took it far further with it's "hardcore" mode:
permadeath - you die, you start again from level 1. Sounds absolutely insane when you're looking from the perspective of a modern low-consequence MMO, but those who played it swore by it for the adrenaline rush (I personally wasn't a fan, but that's just because it forced you to play extremely cautiously, and D2 was just more fun if you played recklessly!)

So yeah.. a game like Darkfall will be a shock to the system to people who have only played WoW/WAR/EQ2/LOTRO/etc. for their MMO fantasy fix. Just approach it as a different style of game, not just "another fantasy MMO".

(as an aside, I have zero interest in Darkfall and think it will be a colossal failure, but my reasons for feeling that way are nothing to do with it's PvP consequence model)

Posted: Mar 20th 2009 8:14PM (Unverified) said

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Posted: Mar 19th 2009 8:40PM (Unverified) said

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How to stop worrying and enjoy Darkfall:

1) Learn to use exploits

2) Download an aimbot

3) Lower your standards to include games that aren't good

4) Squint really hard and pretend you're playing a fan-made version of Morrowind

Posted: Mar 19th 2009 10:24PM (Unverified) said

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@Graill: "kill because you can, gank because you can, ruin gameplay for others because you can, be an asshole because you can. The lone wolf badasses do not exist in this game, only clicks of rabid flies running around and doing what they want when they want, not because they need to."

This freedom appeals to people. MMOs focus on freedom after all. They're virtual worlds. Obviously you don't like the idea of PvP. What you described happens on WoW's pvp servers too. Your argument is flawed and obviously totally biased. Take the emotion out of your argument and apply your thoughts to other games.

"The devs touted consequence as a stop gap to prevent "Lord of the flies" type play but that is what the game is degenerating down to at this time and alot of folks dont like it, the consequence is easily circumvented. Pass."

You pass on playing the game, yet you talk with an aire of understanding of how the game works. Killing DOES have negative consequences. If you kill your own faction, you have to kill three of the enemy to gain your alignment back. Being of a negative alignment means you have no access to main towns and you're at a massive disadvantage. There's more too.

I also like how you talk about how the game has degenerated down. It's been out for less than a month, so it's not possible for it to have "degenerated" that much even if your arguments were true. On top of that, you're passing on the game. You have NOTHING other than forums and sites like this to base your opinion on. If I can say one thing against DF it's that their forums are filled with the most trolls I've ever seen in a single place. Thankfully, they don't represent the people you'll find in game and tend to talk out their ass. In short, they're not to be believed.

@Slacker: "Oh and if you see another group even close to your size, just run away. Don't worry 9 times out of 10 they will be running away too."

Where the hell do you get that from? Maybe if your guild hasn't realized they need to bank multiple sets of gear (which are easily attainable) in case they die. Death is part of the game and the people who have followed the game know that. Some may run, it's true. Those people are either strategizing for something in the future or will wind up quitting/disbanding their clan because they can't compete. Natural selection.

@Bissrok:

1) Exploits are a problem and are addressed relatively quick. It's a good thing no other MMO has had players use exploits in the first three weeks it was out. Oh wait...
2) Aimbots wouldn't work well on this game. Those who would use them would lose. Repeatedly.
3) Nice reasoning. Played WoW recently?
4) *ZING* Ouch! You got me buddy! FPS MMO? Fantasy?!?! OMFG! They haxxored Oblivion! Shenanigans!



Why is it the majority of people who hate this game feel so even though they've never tried it? Maybe it's because you can't get a copy to see for yourself and you're believing all of the crap you read. The article is right. You people need to take a chill pill and quit getting so hyped up about games that aren't for you. You know what's good though? The developers aren't worried about making a game that appeals to everyone. They're worried about making *their* game for *their* audience. They don't want WoW or LotRO or EQ2 and so they won't dumb down the difficulty level on their content to match it.


For the record, DFO has a lot of issues. It's a lot more grindy than any other game I've played in recent years (MMOs anyways). You have to change the way you approach it in order to accept it.

But why get so fucking offended? I've played WoW, LotRO, EQ2, Vanguard, etc, etc, to and not once did I get so frothy over the release of a game that didn't appeal to me. If it's not for you, why the hell do you care?

Posted: Mar 19th 2009 11:51PM ultimateq said

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I don't think its anyone's right to knock this game unless they've played it.

The main problems I have with this game (I haven't played it), have nothing to do with the game itself. Horrible website. It's outdated, the layout is to small, its nearly impossible to navigate. It has false information on it too.

Also, can't get an account. That leads to some pretty bad impressions. And once you get an account, there are supposedly queues to get into the game.

The game seems interesting enough by itself. But with all of the hoops you have to jump through just to get playing. I don't think I want to play it enough to go through all the hassle.

Posted: Mar 20th 2009 9:54AM postman said

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"I don't think its anyone's right to knock this game unless they've played it."


I wish this were the standard across the industry.


I am playing currently, having all but given up on AoC (my patience after 9 months has run out) and its been a long time since i've played a game and been excited, scared, cautious, happy, full of adrenaline and irritated all at the same time. It has also been a long time since i, as a rabid pvper, have felt inclined to actually explore the world around me rather then just go look for a fight.

This game returned the adrenaline rush that i got when i first started pvping back in the day, and damn it it feels good.
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Posted: Mar 20th 2009 11:18AM (Unverified) said

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Everyone playing here at work seems to enjoy it. They talk about how much they're enjoying it quite a bit.

I think I'll take their word for it rather than the word of amature forum trolls. It's funny how people who have never logged in make assumptions and then speak with authority.

Then again, the guys at work cut their teeth on games like Eve and got bored with WoW quickly, calling it dull and repetitive.

Posted: Mar 20th 2009 11:19AM (Unverified) said

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"Why is it mindless drones that don't like a game will always say "I give it a year tops"?"

Because apparently, that's how long it will take for the majority of us to even get to play the damn game in the first place.

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