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Posted: Mar 20th 2009 2:08AM (Unverified) said

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Really Crono? Reporting the days events is unprofessional? Just because you don't like what is going on does not mean people shouldn't bring it up. Way to be an adult.
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Posted: Mar 20th 2009 2:17AM SgtBaker said

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Meh, they had invites to send and some people thought it might be a good idea to send them to people who already play similar games..

They've apologized (yes, I could read apology in that post) and admitted it was stupid.

Yes a really stupid thing to do - but not really a huge deal on *any scale of measurement*.

This article, however, could have used a little less editorial bias.

Posted: Mar 20th 2009 2:57AM Celestian said

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I could careless how they locate beta participants.

I find it funny how "offended" people get about this. Yeah, sure you won't be playing... right. If you're interested in the hero genre you will check it out. How they went about getting more people to beta their game will only make it better regardless of some bruised egos.

Posted: Mar 20th 2009 3:39AM (Unverified) said

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I was truly interested in Champions Online at first. Admittedly as time went on, I slowly lost interest but the news of Bill Roper joining the team hastened that. Now hearing this and the fact it's another Hellgate: London guy... yeah, I'm going to pass on this game.

I understand the gaming industry is small and the guys from Hellgate: London were going to resurface somewhere. It's inevitable really. It's just that for a lot of people, how the whole Hellgate: London situation was handled was a negative experience and that's going to be difficult for companies like Cryptic to overcome when hiring former Hellgate: London people -- especially with hiring a person like Bill Roper. I recognize that things happen and people deserve second chances, etc but I also have a choice as to where I spend my money. Reality is that opinions and emotions do affect people's interest in products and decisions to buy or not.

In other words, to put it into something that maybe people can understand...

For me, Bill Roper is the gaming industry's equivalent of Uwe Boll. ;)

Posted: Mar 20th 2009 6:25AM dudes said

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Guess loyalty does count for something these days after all.

Posted: Mar 20th 2009 7:19AM johnnic1235 said

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There are plenty of boneheaded decisions in the MMO business world, and too few quality games and companies to go around. If you start personally banning companies for decisions that touch your hot button, you will soon run out of games to play.

Lots of folks curse the name of SOE. I personally have banned NCSoft for certain marketing, community relations, and business decisions. Even attaching the Atari name to CO had some people running away.

Pulling out the personal banstick is a natural reaction. But there are too few quality games out there for this to be a wise policy. I know I am reconsidering my personal NCSoft ban.

But this industry is generally run by computer folks and other geeks, notorious misanthropes without interpersonal skills. The customer base is the same type of folks, thin-skinned and highly opinionated, myself included. Flare-ups like this are bound to happen from time to time, and will be forgotten by next week when NCSoft cancels another title or another small publisher gets gobbled up by incompetent investors.

I'm glad something like this came along that is NOT a big deal on my personal big deal-ometer. It helps puts my own jihads in a different perspective.

Posted: Mar 20th 2009 8:41AM (Unverified) said

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If there was a competitor intentionally using Atari's property to advertise, there would be hell to pay. No amount of "whoopsie we didn't think of that" responses will ever convince me that it was just a careless mistake.

What they did was a monumental blunder, as it effects private property rights that they themselves are, and very well should be, aware of.

Posted: Mar 20th 2009 8:58AM (Unverified) said

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Sounds like an error made by an individual rather than a premeditated strategy. Does anyone really think a company would plan to do this and not think through the consequences in terms of negative buzz? Too little to gain and too much to risk to be a well thought through strategy. It's not as if the players of CoH live in a bubble where news of alternative games never filters through.

Posted: Mar 20th 2009 9:25AM (Unverified) said

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Wow. If you people were dinosaurs, you'd be Overreactors.

They didn't offer anything for monitary value. They ASKED players to come play beta FOR FREE. Not solicitation.

Bottom Line ~~~~ THEY DID NOTHING WRONG.

Posted: Mar 20th 2009 12:00PM CCon99 said

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What Dinosaur would that make you? Cryptickissassaurus?

Bottom line ~~~ they did do something wrong, they already admitted it. If they didn't do anything wrong, they wouldn't have had their "Marcom Manager" issue a statement of apology.
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Posted: Mar 20th 2009 12:04PM (Unverified) said

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No, it makes me a Realiticsaurus Rex.

That "apoligy" is PR b/c of the (shock & awe) overly vocal, near sighted and cynical MMO forum community.

Be as mad as you want, I could care less. You're incorrect.
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Posted: Mar 20th 2009 12:37PM (Unverified) said

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Actually, Cryptic *did* do something wrong by breaking the City of Heroes EULA. Were the positions reversed, I doubt Cryptic would take too kindly to someone doing that to their players.

Of course it doesn't compare to the actions of companies such as AIG, but it's really a difference in degree not a difference of kind. It's a small-scale example of bad corporate behavior, and I think that's something every company would want to shy away from these days.
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Posted: Mar 20th 2009 10:18AM Damn Dirty Ape said

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I don't really see how this is any worse than the way these companies constantly poach employees from each other.

Quite a few of 'mmo' gurus were hired for companies because of their work with a competing product (either indirectly with the community or directly with the developer).

Posted: Mar 20th 2009 10:55AM (Unverified) said

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The fact that they even HIRED this Sulic guy is enough to turn me off of Cryptic forever. Sensible people do not hire employees with a proven track record of bad behavior. I do not want to invest my time and money in a game developed by people with such abysmal judgment.

Posted: Mar 20th 2009 12:29PM (Unverified) said

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I find Cryptic's behavior unseemly at the very least and possibly actionable, and it looks like they're losing a lot of respect over this. The apology was in no way appropriate given the behavior; the fact that it continues a history of such bad behavior should give Cryptic some pause.

Given this information, I suspect that it's possible the people slagging Massively's coverage of this are, in fact, Cryptic employees. Even if they aren't, that's precisely the sort of thing people will think whenever they see such comments. Once one is tarred with words like "liar" and "cheat," it begins to inform everything one does. A bad reputation is nearly impossible to live down or escape.

Posted: Mar 20th 2009 12:38PM (Unverified) said

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I'm in NO way a Cryptic employee. I've stated in many CO threads (check my history) how uninspired I am to play this game, and how it doesn't offer nearly enough (feature wise) over most other MMOs, and barely more then CoH (custimization & animation wise)

But, this is BS. They are jsut asking players, who have an established knowledge about the niche genre, and are actively involved in the process betaing updates for CoH and how it's new and old content is developed, to come help them on their new game, b/c they value their imput.

No more, no less.

The apoligy, was to save face, b/c "STFU, you whiny losers. Mountain out of mole hills" wouldn't go over as well.
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Posted: Mar 20th 2009 8:52PM (Unverified) said

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@JP:

Let's say, for the sake of this illustration, that you are the owner of a moderately successful theme diner, say.... specializing in Polish food. And a competitor who just opened up their own Polish diner comes into your diner and starts offering your customers a free meal if they come to his diner.

Would it be "no big deal" then? Or would you throw his ass out of your diner, and if he refused, call the cops and have him arrested for trespass and illegal solicitation?
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Posted: Mar 20th 2009 2:08PM (Unverified) said

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I'm definatly not an employee of Cryptic I work for Chase. I'm not saying what they did was right but the coverage here was BIASED and I don't see any of you arguing that!

Posted: Mar 20th 2009 3:13PM (Unverified) said

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Rayray, there's a difference between a "biased article" and "an article that has facts I don't like" Learn the difference.

And you work for Chase do you? Well, I see why you approve of Cryptic's tactics now. You work for a mortgage lender.
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Posted: Mar 20th 2009 6:15PM Cendres said

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Hrrmm closing comments of the article:

"As Scott points out, it's not an apology if you make light of the matter and pretend it's not a big deal. As people who love the MMO genre, this is not the sort of behavior we want the industry to feel is acceptable. And as such, when a developer has upcoming titles we very much want to play -- like Champions Online and Star Trek Online -- it evaporates our desire to support them."

That's pretty biased to me, the author judged point blank and incites readers to do the same by employing the 'our' desire to support them... It didn't affect my desire to support anyone at all but whatever.

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