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Posted: Mar 18th 2009 4:30PM (Unverified) said

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Some of us have been predicting this for years, ever since WoW began, and we cited exactly these reasons.

Posted: Mar 18th 2009 4:45PM (Unverified) said

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With more people, there is a higher probability of running into more idiots. That, and the game (WoW) has become so mind-numbingly easy that probably most don't see the need to put in even the slightest bit of effort.

Posted: Mar 18th 2009 9:35PM ultimateq said

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You said it, Now I don't have to. +1.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2009 5:10PM Marz said

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I got into Wow because my brother played, He was already level 60 and I was just starting out. Luckily there were a couple others in the Guild that were just starting out and we leveled at about the same pace.....However I can probably count on one hand the number of times I did an instance "At Level" there was always one or two guys from the guild "Running us through". When I did hit level 60, Wrath hit the stores and I was finally at the same level as everyone else. But unlike them I actually had to Learn how to tank at level 60. Sword and Board, Defensive stance, Revenge, and every other Aggro trick in the book, because I had leveled as an arms warrior with a really big two handed sword. Suddenly I needed a shield and had to learn the importance of shield bash.

I think many of the "Old" players have moved on.( I am currently playing "EVE" although I still have my Wow account) Many of the new players leveled like I did. Whenever they did an instance they were "Run through" and now that they are level 80 they are finally learning how their character is supposed to work in an instance.

I like how difficult WoW instances are. One person does something wrong and it‘s a wipe but my advice to anyone just starting out, do some instances "At level" without that friend of yours, who‘s level 65, killing everything in your wake while you loot the corpses from behind.

Posted: Mar 18th 2009 5:13PM Marz said

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Just a correction I meant Burning crusade came out when I hit level 60, not Wrath.

Posted: Mar 18th 2009 7:53PM (Unverified) said

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The title: *really?* In 2009?

(Also, unless there's a word called "dislipline" of which I'm unaware, you could at least show a little bit of conscientiousness in the application of your 1950's-reject accents.)

Posted: Mar 18th 2009 11:59PM (Unverified) said

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1. The title is fine.
2. Leave it alone.
3. Remove carrot from rectum.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2009 8:01PM (Unverified) said

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Anyone half good finished with pugs months ago. If you pug now you're playing with undergeared alts and newbies.

It will continue that way until and if blizzard adds new rewards for doing 5 man heroics.

Posted: Mar 18th 2009 11:41PM (Unverified) said

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You must be mega-elito-awesome at button mashing! I wish I could mindlessly mouse-click my way through McMMO content as fast as you, bod!
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Posted: Mar 19th 2009 1:02PM (Unverified) said

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Oh come on Fess Troll, you were asleep for the last 4 months if you're still running your MAIN character through heroics for gear. It wasn't a boast, it was a fact.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2009 9:00PM Graill440 said

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It's called elitism, a nasty thing that is created when those that have and those that have not meet, this also follows into the those that know how to do something and those that do not.

Years ago when i did play wow, once a pug was picked up the guide that formed the pug took the time or asked for advice and instruction on how to run that particular instance, most pugs disintigrate at this point because folks are simply to lazy and to elite to make time and teach those that do not have opportunities to run instances even if they need to over and over (throw your baby sitting excuse out the window too, your just lazy and impatient).

We move to modern day wow and i read about the same thing, without knowledge pug guides will fail and the run will fail, those raid guilds with great raid guides will simply not take the time to teach any type of "pug" member that is picked up, again simple elitism and laziness. You can leave the excuse " well we are tired of explaining things over and over" for the elites.

The game back then was Made around gear(wow is 99% gear 1% rote action), it still is, and the ignorant blizzard/french thinking of keeping subs by restricting drops thus forcing rote action adds to the friction.

Until folks can solo for top tier gear using wits or force and then get the chance to join the truly epic instances (which do not exist right now in any form), guild guides and raid guides will continue to bad mouth those that have nothing and vice versa.

You see kids, the object is to get what you need to fight and have fun, not work at something like a job with no enjoyment and frustration. If it was not gear oriented and not run after run after run rigged dropwise you folks wouldnt have these problems.

Dont blame those that are gearless, and those never having ran an instance, or your unwillingness to explain things a thousand times if need be, blame the ignorant blizzard french connection and their money model for your problems. Well that and simple greed and impatience on most folks part, and blame yourselves last for etting them to continue to do this to you.

Posted: Mar 18th 2009 10:55PM Angelworks said

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Most people don't take advice on how to play their class all that well I've found.

The other issue is there are just really bad players who really don't care about getting better - they just want fat loot and or exp.
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Posted: Mar 19th 2009 1:28AM (Unverified) said

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Geez, I posted a link to this on the WoW forums and it got deleted within moments.

I guess Blizzard is kind of sensitive about it...

Posted: Mar 19th 2009 12:11PM (Unverified) said

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I'm a 75% Naxx25 geared DK. I both tank and DPS (DPS gear is around 495 be imba, tankgear 490). I pug and I do it alot. I've only encountered few situations where any pug would still wipe.

But most interesting is the following. You say you tank. The first boss in HoL is purely a tank and spank fight. If you wiped on him, you failed epicly at tanking.

There is no way any dps should outagro any tank on any mob in any group currently. The decine in PuG's, is due to bad tanks and bad healers.

Posted: Mar 19th 2009 12:14PM Seraphina Brennan said

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All of that is assuming people listened to me. They didn't.

It's hard for a paladin to tank when I have two taunts, and people keep firing on the boss instead of his two friends to open the fight... after I explained that part twice. After I said, "Shoot skull. DPS skull. Do not DPS boss."

Or when DPS stands right next to his whirlwind. That wasn't fun either.

Trust me. You want me as tank. I may not be 75% naxx geared, but I know what I'm doing.
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Posted: Mar 19th 2009 1:46PM (Unverified) said

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Paladins are aoe agro magnets on par with DK's even prior to Naxx25 gear. On single targets a Paladin is hard to outagro for life. Although I don't disagree that dps might make the fight harder, by attacking targets they shouldn't, it's also the tanks job to anticipate and respond to that. As a paladin you "only"have two taunts. Warriors have 1 taunt, 1 aoe taunt on massive cooldown and a melee range strike which virtually does the same thing death grip does. Paladins have two active ranged taunts, of which one taunts all targets. You have arguably the second best AoE ground effect in the game and your attacks have the most massive instant threat of any tanking class in the game.

Even in the case of overagro on one target, you should have already seen that before it happened. If wiping was due to partymembers pulling the first time, which is still possible even in the nerfed state of Heroics in WoTLK, there is no way that exact scenario would take place a second time, unless you weren't just playing with new people, but with people that completely lack any sort of brain and to be very honest, I think that is not an average of the state of the game.

You had a bad day, grab a mirror before announcing the end of days for pugging.

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