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Posted: Mar 13th 2009 4:09PM (Unverified) said

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So cheating is now legal! Awesome idea SOE!
I sure hope that others wont follow that example...
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Posted: Apr 19th 2009 4:09AM (Unverified) said

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This is horrible. The game was just starting to bounce back from a bad release. Many of the bugs are fixed and the game is running fine for people and then they go and do this. Live gamer will irrevocably cheapen Vanguard, and many of us are going to quit over it. Not because we are stamping our feet because we dont like a change, but because the game will be fundamentally altered so much so that it will be a different gaming experience then what we anticipated when we bought this product.
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Posted: Mar 13th 2009 4:25PM (Unverified) said

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Smed said that in that interview that SOE wouldn't be selling virtual items for real money (microtransactions) in Vanguard. This new announcement is about Station Exchange, which allows players to sell their items to each other for real money. SOE gets a transaction fee, the way eBay would, but it's still not the same thing.
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Posted: Mar 13th 2009 4:36PM CCon99 said

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That Smed is such a backstabbing, lying, scumbag, and a crook. I really hope the government steps in and starts taxing them for all the money they make on selling virtual goods.

And maybe, just maybe if we all wish hard enough, Smed will get caught doing something criminal and land a bunk right next to Madoff one of these days.
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Posted: Mar 13th 2009 5:10PM (Unverified) said

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It would be nice if people like you could get their panties out of a bunch. The selling of virtual currency is always going to be there whether you like it or not.... The only difference is the publisher is allowing it and making their cut. A real smart idea... Because I don't know what you dinosaurs are pushing for but if people have real life money and not much real time to farm gold on wizards of wowquest... let them spend their dough... As long as the proceeds are going into North America or EU... All they are doing now is allowing the guys from China to make a killing with almost no competition from EU and NA. LOL real smart. It really doesn't effect the grand scale of things.. Don't be mad that you cant blow $100 a month on in game currency... You don't see A guy in a ferrari and say man the MOFO he is cheating at life... Gosh Darn dollar farmers...... So why get mad that you can't afford in game currency? If you can afford it, then buy some and spend more time with your families and less time grinding to buy your epic mount... It all makes sense from a logical point of view... I don't understand why people get upset about people who buy gold... I can understand spammers need to have their fingers removed but otherwise. Let us farm and let us sell. Then go spend our earned dollars in our respective economies.... It is simple point.
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Posted: Mar 13th 2009 10:28PM Mr Angry said

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@Mike sure, but then maybe give players the choice to decide before they spent 2+ years playing the game and introduce something that changes the whole dynamic of their experience.

In a new game, the system is set, or certain servers, excellent, but it's just another ham-fisted attempt from SOE, in this particular instance.

P.S. I'll show you my Ferrari another time :)
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Posted: Mar 13th 2009 6:45PM (Unverified) said

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People that justify (=rationalize) gold buying are just as bad as the *commercial* gold farmers and sellers and the source of the problem. Without gold buyers there would be no (commercial) gold farmers or sellers.

They claim it does not hurt the game but, if you have ever had farmers continually monopolize or steal mobs out from under you so you cannot complete quests, you would understand that they DO hurt the game.

Cheap gold creates inflation which hurts everyone that is trying to earn in-game gold the "old-fashioned way." In other words, the *legitimate* players.
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Posted: Mar 13th 2009 7:42PM Mr Angry said

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I don't give a shit about semantics, Smed is a total doucher, he knew the deal, and he made it sound like nothing was going to change in Vanguard last month.

Like RMT or loathe it, he's deliberately twisted his words to fit yet another about face from SOE.

So glad I got the message with the NGE, and I feel real sorry for the people who stuck with this abortion of a game for so long. It was getting better, then they put this on people. Talk about one small step forward, then two huge leaps back in Customer Relations....
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Posted: Mar 13th 2009 8:44PM (Unverified) said

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Having never played the game, I've no idea if this is the right move for Vanguard, but player-to-player sales are different from microtransactions. I thought Smed's meaning was pretty clear in that interview.
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Posted: Mar 13th 2009 10:22PM Mr Angry said

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I understand your point, but if you take the words "micro transactions" out of your post, and replace it with the word RMT, it's not so cut and dried, and that's what I'm referring to.

Smed implied there was no change due in any other game (and he knew at that time this was happening, but chose not to say anything, don't you think that may have been relavent?)

Then, he dropped a deuce on people and then change things and add it. Smed was very careful with wording, but people's concerns at the time were not specifically 'micro transactions' it was the wider purview of having to pay money to be 'good', rather than skill alone.

Honestly, there have been so many exploits in Vanguard in terms of trading cash over the chunk boundaries to dupe items and cash, that the economy is screwed up anyway. It's just another way SOE to wring every last bit of cash out of their dying catalogue, while they offer the type of support and updates that were the norm last decade. It doesn't cut it in the 00's as companies like Turbine are proving, turning the value paradigm on it's head in turns of lifetime subscriptions.
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Posted: Mar 13th 2009 8:18PM (Unverified) said

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Vanguard was on my list of MMOs to check out.

Emphasis on the word "was".
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Posted: Mar 13th 2009 8:11PM ultimateq said

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The impression I got was that players could sell their items to each other while SoE pockets a percentage. I doubt you'll be able to sell no drop/no trade/whatever item. I'm willing to bet only tradable items will be able to be sold.

I'm not trying to justify it. I think it's a stupid idea. However, It's not half as bad as most people seem to be making it out to be.

I would rather have a system like this in place and keep the game alive, rather than just let the game die.
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Posted: Mar 13th 2009 8:29PM (Unverified) said

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I wonder how many people here now cursing Smedley scoffed at my posts calling him a doublespeaking scheming liar haha.
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Posted: Mar 13th 2009 9:13PM venekor said

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I myself don't care but it's when the content only becomes accessible via paying for it and not able to obtain by playing the game like TCG loot cards. Where in SWG now all the kool new items don't come as quest rewards or crafters.... but TCG where you have to pay to get them.

Like how about some fucking content for the game and stop shafting crafters?
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Posted: Mar 13th 2009 11:01PM ultimateq said

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I agree, This isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. Though there are problems, its still not that bad.
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Posted: Mar 13th 2009 10:21PM (Unverified) said

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Awesome! I love to buy a ship in the game. May even go back if this goes. After I buy 1,000 gold for WoW and the upcoming gold sink for the spec switching in path 3.1.
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Posted: Mar 14th 2009 5:53AM (Unverified) said

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Yes SOE keeps some lower population games open, they should be commended for that. But then you gotta see it from a different perspective. These are a great resource that almost NO other company has. Paying subscribers on Test servers. Other games have test servers, or maybe they test the waters of a new feature by leaking stuff to forums before hand, but SOE has TRUE data from their subscription test servers.

Players talk alot of talk, but in the end its the subscription rate that tells the true tale to the corp big wigs. Implement new and controversial content and ignore the forums, see how many people are so angry they'll break their addictions to send a message.

No other company has a test bed as extensive as SOE, because no other company can take that gamble with their games.
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Posted: Mar 15th 2009 8:50PM (Unverified) said

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I think its pretty cool to have a game you can make real world cash from. I'll be doing it.. and alot ;-)
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