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Posted: Feb 20th 2009 2:57PM (Unverified) said

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Oof, what a mess. Makes me wonder how much pressure there has been from MMOG publishers on the government to decide that selling boxed MMOGs is just selling "access", not the game itself. That despite the fact that the disc in the box almost always *does* contain the game content and the program to load and display that content.

Posted: Feb 21st 2009 8:12AM Joystiq Login Bugs SUCK said

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Or drop bears!
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Posted: Feb 20th 2009 4:37PM Triskelion said

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Aussie gamers crack me up; Australia contributes nothing to the world of games, or tech - yet they all think that the world owes them something. I like when my Aussie guildmates put down the US, the very same country that provides them with the game we're all playing and the hardware (DELL) to run the game. What does Australia offer the rest of the world? Nothing.

And Koalas are dirty animals.

Posted: Feb 20th 2009 4:57PM MrGutts said

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Australia is the world’s largest exporter of coal, wool, zinc and tin ores and concentrates, iron ore, beef, barley and raw sugar. Australia's uranium reserves are the world's largest and the worlds largest exporter of that. So the U.S. can make pretty bombs.

So the stuff your bitching about, the rare form of goods most likely came from Australia.

Oh and don't forget Foster’s lager!
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Posted: Feb 20th 2009 5:34PM Wilhelm2451 said

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Not to be too critical MrGutts, but exporting raw materials so other people can make things isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of Australian technical acumen.

Posted: Feb 20th 2009 6:03PM (Unverified) said

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on top of the commodities market, Australia is also highly active in the Finance, Construction, Medical Research, an ascendant film industry and even, to a smaller degree, Military tech industries.

it has a moderate but growing amount of international influence, widely being recognized as a regional power, a G20 member, a -possible- NATO entrant and a bridge to asia. its energy sector is a strong ace-in-the-hole for the short and long term.

it has a small but active group of first and third party game development studios, some of which are visible here - www.gdaa.com.au.

these things are just off the top of my head.

please note that it is also currently one of the best positioned countries in the world to weather the current crisis with relatively dampened flow-on effects. 4 its banks have vaulted into the world's top 15.

it's not exactly a ringing endorsement of your intellect or worldliness to spout off while not knowing any of these widely-available facts.

Posted: Feb 20th 2009 6:15PM (Unverified) said

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if one were to watch "yes minister" they would find this whole situation extremely amusing as it is parodied very often in the series.

basically the selling the game or access arguement is a play on words to get round the whole situation. how can the gov even if the publishers are in the wrong wack them all with the fine hammer. it would be stupid and laughable. most people will be saying its just a game stop bothering yourself or something to that effect. u really think they give a shit about the games in the grand scheme of things.

game/movie rating is probably the dead-end going no-where fast dept of governemnt.

Posted: Feb 20th 2009 6:55PM Wilhelm2451 said

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None of which changes my criticism of MrGutts' statement of Aussie superiority through commodity export.

I did not say Australia did not do anything else, I was merely pointing out that the cited examples were not ringing endorsements of said acumen.

Sorry to have gotten your hyper-defensiveness up there Brinn. I'm sure it isn't an example of any sort of inferiority complex. Keep waving the flag and singing "Waltzing Matilda."

Posted: Feb 20th 2009 7:24PM Triskelion said

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Aussies are just pissed because every living creature on their pathetic rock wants to kill them or is some highly venomous creature that only exists on their rock.

This is what happens when you export criminals to some island and leave them undisturbed for hundreds of years.

Posted: Feb 20th 2009 8:20PM (Unverified) said

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..and this isn't our only issue. Take a gander at:
http://www.nocleanfeed.com/

Which is ultimately an irony, as the MMO classification issue is saying:
"hrm we don't know, what do you think?"

and yet the Clean Feed (censorship) issue is saying:
"we know what's best for all Australian citizens and we'll make decisions for you and your family".

Wha..?

Posted: Feb 20th 2009 8:40PM (Unverified) said

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I'm actually from Berkeley, CA.

I currently live on this "rock" for a work stint, and I'd have to say that aside from perhaps Canada, some central EU countries and the West Coast, it's probably one of the nicest places anyone could hope to live, with the most amenities, the safest and cleanest streets and most secure infrastructure.

are you going to now lay down some ad hominem can of whoop-ass on my Californian ass? perhaps on our technological acumen and collective hyper-defensiveness?

this is why i so often try and avoid posting on gaming sites. the sheer weight of willful ignorance and stupidity is unbelievable.

Posted: Feb 20th 2009 8:53PM (Unverified) said

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More on topic:

at the final analysis none of this matters. these finicky classification boards (OFLC and USK/FSK ?) are generally subject to partisan appointments. Every handful of years some anti-censorship heavy party gets into power and has a good old fashioned department-stacking frenzy.

on TOP of that, they're gradually losing relevance in the overwhelming face of digital distribution.

So, I would think it's safe to say that neither Australians nor Germans need worry about any of this leave-it-to-beaver garbage.

Posted: Feb 20th 2009 10:26PM (Unverified) said

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The OFLC (the secretarial and administrative branch of the Classifications Board) was dismantled in 2007, and those functions absorbed into the Commonwealth Attorney-General's office.

Ain't no OFLC no more.
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Posted: Feb 20th 2009 9:50PM (Unverified) said

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The problem isn’t the central government itself - the problem is that the classification laws for Australia are set by the “Attourney-General” (i could have this title wrong) - there’s one from each state, and they together work out those laws. All but one of them is fine with upgrading the classification for videogames to modern status, but as long as that one general refuses - it isn’t going through. The one who refuses is a guy called Michael Atkinson, and he's essentially Australia's Jack Thompson-type character. stupidly conservative, and wielding power.

Posted: Feb 20th 2009 10:34PM (Unverified) said

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Plus, there's also that the law is not being applied as it is written. Seems to me Australia doesn't actually need an R18 (or even an X18 ) category if people can wrap the content in online "access" -- and some people could say that the latest Securom versions (Spore et al) are exactly that.
That seems to give content a free ride to store shelves.
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