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Posted: Feb 9th 2009 8:20AM (Unverified) said

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Because, just like in real life, sometime they're rewarded for it, so they keep doing it.

Posted: Feb 10th 2009 6:35AM (Unverified) said

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Because people are to lazy to invest in the game, see to expensive items for sale and buy that instead of finishing a quest (wich requires some thinking) what would have given a better item. Buying craft ingredients when they could harvest themselves. etc
Never-ever had ANY money-problems in ANY mmo. Just do some questing, don't buy all the fancy equipment at each level... well handing out advice is free :-)

Posted: Feb 9th 2009 8:32AM (Unverified) said

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Trust me when I say I've -been- on the beggar's side of things. I beg only when I'm so close to a target monetary goal that I can almost taste the item I want, yet it's so far out of reach, and it's something I want as fast as possible. I usually be as sincere as possible when asking for money and explain my situation, hoping that I'll receive a donation.

I don't beg, however, just for fun. That's silly and annoying and gets people ignore'd quite quickly.

Posted: Feb 9th 2009 8:55AM (Unverified) said

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Wow, really? You're actually admitting to doing this? Not only that you sound like you intend on doing it more.

Honestly, I'm intrigued, whenever I see a beggar in a game I imagine the person being some 10 year old rat-faced boy. How old are you, and do you have an overbite?
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Posted: Feb 9th 2009 9:32AM Snow Leopard said

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You’re still begging, no matter much of an elaborate sob story you’re creating. If you’re so close to your goal maybe you should just go out and take five seconds to make some money. Currency basically grows on trees in this genre and if you’re too lazy to go out and pick it, maybe you should be playing something else like My Little Pony Raceway.
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Posted: Feb 9th 2009 1:14PM (Unverified) said

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mrkz, yea I admit that I've begged for things. I don't do it very often anymore, though. But that isn't to say I won't do it again. Oh, and I'm a typical (overweight) American adult.

snow, yes I do realize it's still begging and if I know I can crank out the extra effort to get to my goal that specific day, I won't resort to the extreme. Overall, I've been doing this "god I almost got it!" begging extremely sparingly. It's not that I'm too lazy to go and grab money from the game's own way of making it, it's just that sometimes the easiest way to get from point A to point B is just too tempting to pass up.
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Posted: Feb 9th 2009 8:59AM (Unverified) said

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As someone who plays LoTRO, I have never seen this.

Must be in other games...

Posted: Feb 9th 2009 9:08AM (Unverified) said

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LOL - see my story below.

It's the only time I've seen it though. LOTRO is pretty beggar-free.
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Posted: Feb 9th 2009 9:08AM (Unverified) said

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A LOTRO guildie of mine was asking the other day for 100s so he/she could buy a house. They'd saved up the 1g or so needed for it but they ended up dying and their gear needed fixing.

My guildies are usually the sort to give stuff away - "[Item name] - anybody want it?" and so on so I was surprised when my guildies were telling this person "no," considering 100s isn't THAT much in LOTRO.

So I mailed him/her the cash and thought no more of it.

Until this person sent me another tell about 30 minutes later asking for "25s." I said "no" this time, as I wasn't near a letterbox (to be fair to me) plus I'd already given some money. 100s when you have nothing takes some getting but 25s when you're geared-up isn't that much.

Anyway, the next day I got another tell asking for...

3s.

THREE silver pieces.

That's maybe 10 minutes of grinding/collecting/selling.

I refused, as by this point I was annoyed about the whole matter.

A few days later this same Guildie started complaining that nobody would help him/her "level up." Not a specific "can somebody help with Quest X." No, a "I want you to play the game for me" request...

I wonder why some people even bother...

Posted: Feb 9th 2009 9:36AM ultimateq said

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can sum1 giv me 100 g fr my new sord?

Posted: Feb 9th 2009 9:48AM (Unverified) said

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One thing that was fun in EQ was the way money actually had weight to it - if you were carrying too much coin, you ran slower.

That was always worth remembering with beggars - if you found one outside of a city, give him 10,000 copper (or whatever the cheap currency was, which equated to Not Much Money Really at Level 20) and then watch him struggle to move past the rats/skeletons that would be waiting for him at the city gates - IF he even made it that far...

Posted: Feb 9th 2009 9:57AM LaughingTarget said

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Just the basic attitude of our societies bleeding into virtual worlds. Our governmental systems have created programs that are nothing more than requiring the successful to drag the unsuccessful along through life. It is outright expected that if an individual has less that it is the sworn duty of those with more to just give without question. Beggars are just that subset of our society that feels entitled to that which they are unwilling or unable to do themselves and demand others do it for them.

We are well aware of the damage of such behavior but it's sad we make a bigger deal about it where it doesn't matter.

Posted: Feb 9th 2009 10:08AM (Unverified) said

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Damn all those single mothers playing WoW!
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Posted: Feb 9th 2009 10:34AM Sephirah said

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You're right about basic attitude of our societies bleeding into virtual worlds.
There're so many selfish a******s in MMORPG nowadays...
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Posted: Feb 9th 2009 1:00PM Budukahn said

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Because of course it is a great moral failing of society to employ a safety net in the form of social security to protect those vulnerable members of society who, often for reasons completely beyond their own making end up unemployed, You know, like from that little thing called the Credit Crunch doing the rounds nowadays. Yes there's flaws in the way it works for most countries, but you don't throw away three tire's on a car because you have a puncture in the forth.

That said though, I have nothing of contempt for beggars in a virtual setting. I can't help but think they must be young children, at least mentally, convinced that everyone around them is a surrogate mummy and they need only employ enough pester power from their level 5 pram, to get what they want.

There are uncountable reasons why someone may be reduced to begging in real life. There's only one for begging in a game. Laziness.
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Posted: Feb 9th 2009 1:08PM Firebreak said

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That is the most shallow and ignorant post I think I have seen here. When your character can die from the cold and starvation then we can talk about the two being the same.

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Posted: Feb 9th 2009 2:38PM LaughingTarget said

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Social welfare has created more poverty than it ever solved. But that's for economics classes (not surprised by the vote down, our education system in the west is atrocious at this sort of thing). Still, the basic tennent holds true. Beggars see you with more, therefore, they deserve it.
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Posted: Feb 9th 2009 4:39PM Firebreak said

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Have you actually talked to a beggar? I mean I have and from what I have learned it sounds like you have taken a few classes and listened to other people. You should get out and actually speak to the people you are judging. I have found that they are far more grateful of a meal then they are of money.

I don't care wether you think the government should help them or not but there are people out there that are in a great deal of need and deserve more charity and good will then they are given.
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Posted: Feb 9th 2009 5:05PM LaughingTarget said

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Yes, I have, and then you get this sort of thing:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/95216/a_homeless_man_blows_100000_of_free.html

You're dealing with a class of people beyond help. This "safety net" is a dangerous concept. When you put up the net, more people find it better to just live on the net instead of walking the tightrope. Sure, if you didn't have the net, people would fall and crash into the floor below. But, if you put enough people on the net, the net breaks and they all end up down there anyway, including people who otherwise wouldn't if the net didn't exist.

I forward you to this interesting study:

http://www.timbro.se/bokhandel/pdf/9175665646.pdf

Basically, it says that the Western European nations, the ones that like to talk about how great their social nets have been at reducing poverty, only reduced it on a relative level. With all their social spending, free healthcare, free school, etc, if their poverty was recorded on the same standards as the United States, the average poverty level in Western Europe would be over 50%. For record, the USA is at 15%. To avoid calls of bias, the authors are Swedish, a nation so up its own ass about its awesome social services program that it would rank as the poorest of American states with a 60% poverty rate. American poor live as well as the European middle class.

As for this credit crisis, it wasn't caused by rampant lassaize-faire economics. It was caused by a group of politicians coming on television and telling us the sky was falling and panicked people. The mortgage problem was caused by those same politicians trying to legislate affordable housing. Funny, legislating affordable housing made it unaffordable for an even greater population that couldn't have afforded it before. So why should I be punished (further) for the politicians elected by the lazy people looking for a handout and the ones thinking those same people need monetary assistance? Nothing is more damaging than putting the word "Government" and "Help" together in the same sentence without putting the word "can't" in between them.

Always think twice before spewing off your Government funded public education learnings. It is to the benefit of the people in power to keep you believing that social services and "safety nets" are a wonderful thing.
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Posted: Feb 9th 2009 6:23PM Firebreak said

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I think that you are not actually listening to me. I find the government just shy of useless but I don't think people should write anyone off. I do suppurt shelters that give out food and provide places to sleep. I believe in charity and I can only hope that there are more people like me and less people like you. I don't like the idea that someone could die and that there was something I could do about it but did not. Don't shove your anti government arguement on to me were it does not belong.
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