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Posted: Jan 31st 2009 11:42AM (Unverified) said

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Seriously. Is this all a big joke? Do people really still play this game? Playing WH scenarios is about as fun as grinding Diablo over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again ....

When they get past a massive single player game, call me.

Posted: Jan 31st 2009 1:23PM hami83 said

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Best example of what hopefully won't be on the official WaR forums.
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Posted: Jan 31st 2009 1:23PM Idle said

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Yup, people are. Scenario participation is down, though. A whole lot of folks are now into the open RvR.

You forgot to post your number. That makes it a big hard to call you. 8)
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Posted: Jan 31st 2009 11:52AM (Unverified) said

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Folks,

This is just typical Jacobs' behaviour. Remember they weren't working on an expansion for a while but now they are (the two articles sit on the same page)

# No Warhammer Online expansion pack for a while
http://news.bigdownload.com/2008/12/08/no-warhammer-online-expansion-pack-for-a-while?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_massively

# Warhammer Online expansion pack
http://www.massively.com/2009/01/29/mythic-announces-the-first-live-expansion-to-warhammer-online/

Posted: Jan 31st 2009 12:12PM (Unverified) said

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Mark Jacobs was refering to an expansion pack (I.e Mines of Moria, Burning Crusade) that won't happen for quite some time. The "Live expansion" is free content being added to make the core game better.
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Posted: Jan 31st 2009 11:54AM (Unverified) said

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Forums builld community and, in turn, help retain players... Mark is a smart guy, I'm surprised it took so long for him to figure this out.

Posted: Feb 1st 2009 11:18AM Scarecrowe said

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Indeed they do. If WAR had started with an official forum, I would probably still be playing it. I left to find a game that cared about their community. I'm guessing Mythic is becoming a little concerned about their retention numbers right now. I enjoyed the game but it just seemed somewhat lacking.
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Posted: Feb 3rd 2009 12:49PM Blue Kae said

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Totally agree. Having multiple unofficial forums lead to too much confusion, it makes much more sense to have a single place for official information.
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Posted: Jan 31st 2009 1:03PM Holgranth said

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I'm not sure if I like this idea or not..... if done correctly it COULD work really well..... if not it would be a totalcrap up.

However to the above Warhammer haters if you haven't played in a few months trust me, it HAS really improved.

The PVP is actually better than Warcraft now with the obvious exception of seige mechanics.

The PVE is still weak but it IS a lot better than the crap at luanch.

Posted: Jan 31st 2009 1:25PM Idle said

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Forums will be a good idea if they're heavily moderated to keep things positive. I've never minded criticism and negative opinions as long as they were discussed in a constructive manner. Having that kind of feedback is the only way you can make things better. It's the trolls and flamers who intend to spoil it for everyone.

Posted: Feb 1st 2009 9:03PM (Unverified) said

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"Forums will be a good idea if they're heavily moderated to keep things positive."

Translation; "Forums will be a good idea if they are heavily moderated to prevent people from expressing their honest opinion".

As long as the handful of remaining WAR players (masochists) still think everything is rainbows and gumdrops, all is well.
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Posted: Feb 1st 2009 9:09PM Idle said

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Not exactly. It is possible to express your honest opinion in a polite and constructive manner. When you do so, it is helpful to the community and the game developers. When you act like a jerk, it doesn't help anyone.

For your second point, I don't think anyone believes everything is 'rainbows and gumdrops'. I believe the opinion generally expressed is they are having fun and they appreciate the work being put into the game to make it better and better.
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Posted: Jan 31st 2009 1:29PM (Unverified) said

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I don't understand the following statements he made in his letter on the Herald:

"Quite frankly, I still believe that OFs are not a panacea to cure all the ills of a game. I still also remain convinced that having OFs are not a guarantee of success for an MMO."

Has anyone ever claimed that official forums will fix all of the problems of an MMO, or that it will guarantee a game's success? It's just silliness.

Posted: Jan 31st 2009 3:42PM Jesspiper said

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More proof that Mark Jacobs is, for all intents and purposes, a liar. If that's too harsh, then at the very least he often goes back on his word.

He was adamant WAR would not have any stealth classes. Enter the Witch Hunter and Witch Elf.

He said all manner of statements that WAR would not have official forums. Enter official forums.

The only subject he's more outspoken on is his (apparent) utter hatred for the gold selling industry. With his turn around record I wouldn't be surprised if suddenly WAR endorsed gold selling or some other such activity. (Maybe they already do behind the scenes, given the pattern of what Jacobs' says vs. actual reality).

Also, I feel sorry for all the WAR fan forums who have just heard their Banshee wail.

Posted: Jan 31st 2009 5:16PM (Unverified) said

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So, you'd rather no one ever changed their mind about anything, ever? Grow up. People form differing opinions about topics over time, especially with experience and from actually listening to other people's views. Partial stealth classes were a great addition to the game. Official Forums will be a great way to build community, especially given Mystic's history they will likely be very heavily moderated. I'm glad Jacobs has learned from his mistakes and moved forward with the game's development.

It's people like you who believe it's better to never change your mind no matter what, because you're so scared of being a "flip-flopper", that ruin healthy discussions.
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Posted: Jan 31st 2009 6:18PM Jesspiper said

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Changing your mind is one thing, and I realize that happens...it's called "progression". I'm very glad that devs change their minds (including PvP in LOTRO is a fine, personal example.) My point is that these weren't minor opinions of his, but firm, reolute stances he and his company took for years. "Never" is about as strong as one can get:

"Never.

There, I said it (again).

I would rather hear William Shatner and Roseanne Barr singing a duet while having my fingernails pulled out one by one while sitting in a pool of molten lava than have Mythic's own Official Forums for WAR.

How's that for clarity?

Mark"


That's a little bit more serious than "changing his mind". So my question is when and where is Mr. Jacobs going to sign up for fingernail removal and molten lava dipping?

Any credibility this clown Jacobs had left is effectively gone.

*Places sandbags and razorwire in preparation of the inevitable Abriael and co. fanboy onslaught*
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Posted: Jan 31st 2009 7:03PM Holgranth said

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I have to say while I just retried WAR and found it vastly improved and actually recomend people retry it if they gave up after luanch, I wholey agree that Mark Jacobs flip flops more than a political leader on hot concrete.
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Posted: Feb 1st 2009 6:38AM (Unverified) said

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I think OFs have a valuable role to play with any IP. They give players a chance to have an open an d transparent interaction with the company in an official capacity. Often it shows some players for the ass-hats they are but it also gives them the ability to give official answers to fan questions. There are also 2 advantages to having their own: If it is their forum they can ban who they want (handy) they can also search through it in more advanced ways.

Another thing to consider are the many Blizzard fansites that hang on the devs every word and more recently the Ghostcrawler phenomenon. There has been a lot of good feedback from some of the topics that have been discussed and it feels a lot more interactive and player facing rather than a blog from on high. It has certainly improved the quality of feedback that the players get.

Finally advertising; this might have been a quip at the expense of Blizzard's recent foray (or a cry of "we're different and special!"), but once they see the traffic figures and then look at the advertising revenue then they will cave in. I mean ffs GW could provide advertising for their table top games, add in merchandising for WAR and you'd be good to go.

Posted: Feb 1st 2009 9:11PM (Unverified) said

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Can there be an active WAR article posted without someone bitching about Blizzard?
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2009 11:22AM (Unverified) said

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"Can there be an active WAR article posted without someone bitching about Blizzard? "


BWHAHAHHA ... says the poster who only comes to the WAR articles to bitch and whine. GTFO you hypocrite.
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