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Posted: Jan 27th 2009 7:15PM (Unverified) said

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Tough call. Having followed the development of both games, I might hop from one to the other.

Cryptic learned a lot from COH and I have no doubt they will blow me away like they did with their original game in 2004 (it's still the only game I play). On the other hand, DCUO has Jim Lee!

*brain splodes*

Posted: Jan 27th 2009 7:25PM (Unverified) said

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The DC Universe IP is pretty weak all around. It's pretty much a bunch of super heroes from like 60 years that people stopped caring about 50 years ago.

Then you get to the actual game itself. Have you seen the videos? Doesn't look great so far.

Champions is going to be so much better.

Posted: Jan 27th 2009 10:37PM Its Utakata stupid said

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You mean like Batman?
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Posted: Jan 28th 2009 1:53PM (Unverified) said

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What are you talking about? Batman, Superman both have been remade to be quite pertinent to today. Just look up Frank Miller. DC has been cranking out consistently characters with more depth and better story lines for the last 20 years. Even in cartoon form, Justice League had some great storylines.

In terms of gaming, it's too soon to tell what PVE content will be featured in DCUO, but CO has shown some impressive material.

As a PVE guy, I disagree with the article's author. But that's fine. Maybe DCUO will be like AOC and focus on PVP, while DCUO will do more PVP based stuff. Then there will be a game to satisfy any superhero out there.
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Posted: Jan 27th 2009 7:30PM Haggs said

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I'm planning to try both of them because they both offer things I want in an MMO.

For Champions, I love how they've taken the mantra of "customization" and run with it. They're really thinking about all the things us players would like to have control of and giving us as much as possible. The Nemesis system will be huge.

As for DCUO, I'm a big DC Comics fan so I'm maily just excited about playing in DC's sandbox. I'm excited for the story Geoff Johns has written. And I've loved seeing some of my favorite obscure DC characters on some of the concept art we've seen.

And on top of that there's some cool stuff still happening in City of Heroes. If you're a fan of both superheroes and MMOs, the next year or so is going to be awesome!

Posted: Jan 27th 2009 7:51PM (Unverified) said

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Given SOE's track record, I think it's safe to say Champions will blow DCU away. And Jim Lee as the design director? What games has he shipped?

Posted: Jan 27th 2009 8:09PM (Unverified) said

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I'm honestly gonna give both a whirl but my bets on Cryptic and Champs. They've been AWESOME about listening to us on the forums:}

Posted: Jan 27th 2009 9:28PM (Unverified) said

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They have something common too. Neither will be out in time for me not be bored to death this winter now that I've given up on WotLK. I had hoped to hold out for Champions til March. Now I'm just hoping Champions can even make it out in March.

Jim Lee being involved doesn't really mean much other than some of the character models will look good. He'll have no bearing on how the game plays, which is for the best.

On the other hand, Cryptic worries me too. I am confident that they have learned some great lessons from CoH. I just hope they know to have an end-game, and not to have such a grindfest in the later levels. And hopefully they'll plan PvP to actually be balanced, rather than continually unbalancing everything for the sake of PvP. And maybe they'll actually listen to their player base and at the same time, provide decent feedback. Yeah, come to think of it, I'm not sure how this is going to turn out.

Posted: Jan 28th 2009 1:29AM cray said

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Often times a company will try to duplicate their success by learning from their mistakes, however what ends up happening is more the same, but with different set of mistakes.

Then there are companies who learn from other company's success and failure. A good company will not try to duplicate the other company's success but rather attempt to try something new, aided by their untainted perspectives. This helps them rise above the other company's second attempt.

Basically I just described Cryptic and SOE, in how they differ with Champions and DCU online. I think the longterm prognosis is in SOE favor as DCU Online is not a City of Heroes sequel which Champions could easily be perceived as.

Posted: Jan 28th 2009 3:27AM OldBoy said

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@3: yeah, "pretty weak IP" that took in over $500 million at the domestic box office.

If the thought of joining Superman and Orion in a raid against Darkseid, or of trying NOT to have Batman show up and bust up your crime spree doesn't get your geek juices flowing, then you must be one of those precocious ten-year-olds who use abbreviations, too.

Cryptic's also busy on Star Trek Online, so part of me suspects that in our current economy one or the other will suffer.

Posted: Jan 28th 2009 5:13AM Zantom said

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Myself I have been planning on Champions, mostly because there is a lot I really like about CoH/CoV franchise (not withstanding their mistakes). Right now it is a gamble either way. I most likely will end up buying and trying whichever one comes out first (I doubt they will end up releasing at the exact same time) and go from there. If I feel the game is lacking, I might try the late comer.

Here is one thing to consider... Cryptic had no IP to start with in CoH (uh at least that I ever heard of) and they really made a decent game of it which has paved the way for these two titles. Now again, Cryptic is not going to have a really strong IP (yes there are plenty that know and have played Champions table top game, but compared to Marvel and DC? I don't think so). Therefore I could foresee Cryptic having to sell HARD on features when going against the DC IP. And on the flip side, SOE is going to sell their game primarily on its IP (since that is their greatest strength). So I worry SOE will not pack as much into the game since they will be able to ride their IP relative to how Cryptic is going to have to work. Who knows, time will tell.

Posted: Jan 28th 2009 7:36AM (Unverified) said

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Yes I mean like Batman. Honestly, I never understood peoples fascination with DC. Too many goody-two-shoes, too campy. Yea sure, in modern times there have been artists and writers (and movies) that have tried portraying these guys in a mature light, but to me they still just end up looking stupid. (yes, even the guy dressed like a bat) Give me Marvel and X-men any day.

But even besides my taste in comics Champions looks stronger. DCU has a kind of Age of Conan look where everything looks like it's plastic. Something to do with the lighting I guess. Everything looks too stiff. I prefer the cell-shaded Champions look.

And the customization of powers in Champions is very interesting.

Posted: Jan 28th 2009 9:56AM UnSub said

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@Oldboy: The version of Batman who appeared on film isn't the same version of Batman who appears in comics (and who has just shot Darkseid with a gun and died). Go Go DC IP! ;-)

Posted: Jan 28th 2009 10:23AM Scarecrowe said

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The comments here have been much more interesting than the blog the article links to! The blog itself is pretty weak and doesn't do much of a job of comparing/contrasting.

Anyways, the thing that concerns me about both CO and DCU is that all of the videos shown make the gameplay appear to be very much like an "arcade-y" type game. If I wanted to play a console or arcade game, I'd do so. However, that's really not what I'm looking for in an MMO. These games have rarely been able to be anything "deep" as far as a MMO goes. I'm hoping at least one of the upcoming pair can provide the sort of depth I'm looking for but the more I see of the videos, the more doubtful I become.

Posted: Jan 28th 2009 12:43PM MrGutts said

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I will make some conclusions when I see real game play from both companies. DCO showed a little bit a couple weeks ago and CO made a failed attempt to show game play video a week ago when some devs were talking and in the middle of the video screen the entire time.

Posted: Jan 28th 2009 12:58PM (Unverified) said

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Never link this blog again, that was the most watered down and pathetic review I've read in ages.

If this were a book report, it would be a C-, only passable due to sentence structure.
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Posted: Jan 28th 2009 1:03PM (Unverified) said

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The case/caper thing is a system I've been suggesting (not by that name, of course) ever since CoH was first in development. While I'm glad someone finally decided to try it, it's too bad they are wasting it on the super-ridiculous DC universe.

Posted: Jan 28th 2009 2:10PM (Unverified) said

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Partisan bias in the comic book world has to be the craziest form of prejudice ever....90% of comic writers and artists cycle between the major camps and stamp their own flavour on them in the process.

The games are clearly taking two different approaches, CO is going all out for customisation, whereas DCUO is doing its best to bring the world to life..... I think the latter approach is the most significant thing an MMO can try to do but it will be down to who delivers on their promises in the end and at what cost.

Posted: Jan 29th 2009 9:57PM (Unverified) said

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They've said that they are putting a pretty big emphasis on endgame for Champs. It's called the 'Omega" system even though no details yet. Also Jack himself said they WILL have solo endgame which has me STOKED!!

Posted: Jan 30th 2009 9:21AM (Unverified) said

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Why do you play MMOs if you want to solo the end-game? That makes absolutely no sense...I've never played an MMO that, while playing alone, even the most average single player RPG couldn't offer a better experience. What makes the MMORPG so appealing is the multiplayer aspect.

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