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Posted: Dec 30th 2008 1:22AM (Unverified) said

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sounds to me like a worlds.com troll
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Posted: Dec 30th 2008 2:53AM Softserve said

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I think we've seen stuff like this happen in the gaming world often enough to at least have justification to find it annoying. I didn't really see many comments on how specific laws worked.
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Posted: Dec 30th 2008 9:32AM LaughingTarget said

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That's the best retort? A troll? Try clicking the link on my name and get an idea of what my history is. You just tried to accuse the last person on the Internet that could be a fanboy of any sort of being a fanboy/troll/line-tower.

Given that's the best retort, my analysis is correct, we don't know jack on the subject. Yes, it is annoying, but just because it's annoying doesn't mean that there aren't legitimate lawsuits.

NCSoft is a Korean company. The sad reality is that Korea's business culture is heavily involved in industrial espionage and other things that we in the West consider unethical business practice (bribery of public officials is another major business operation that is considered normal there that is highly illegal in Western nations). Ever wonder why the vast majority of the Korean MMOs on the market have the exact same game engine, gameplay, and in many cases, art assets? This is the daily operation in Korea. This is why the lawsuit is more than plausible is because this kind of behavior is common practice in Korea.

So, try getting facts before jumping to conclusions.
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Posted: Dec 30th 2008 11:58AM (Unverified) said

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I don't believe he was calling YOU a troll, he was talking about a patent troll

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_troll
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Posted: Dec 30th 2008 10:23AM Lateris said

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I cant wait for world.com to get spanked.

Posted: Dec 30th 2008 1:22AM (Unverified) said

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I have a strong feeling that Blizzard and Sony will come swooping in soon to assist NCSoft with the lawsuit. You really cannot let anyone set a precedent.

Posted: Dec 30th 2008 10:04AM (Unverified) said

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ARRRGGGHHHH!

Scalable chat was being down back in the days of IRC, standard first published in 1993, see http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1459 . All they've done is constrained the patent to apply to 3D worlds.

For users interacting in a virtual space, surely we're going back to MUD (not MUDs, I mean the original game "MUD"), which is 1980-something?

Posted: Dec 30th 2008 10:10AM (Unverified) said

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Prior art is not enough on its own. We've got additional commentary today. http://www.massively.com/2008/12/30/the-patent-that-stole-christmas/
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2009 5:26PM (Unverified) said

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I think they really just need to get SOE to bring a suit against Worlds.com on the grounds that Everquest had already implemented the system they describe prior to the filing of the year 2000 patent claim. Everquest has a claim to prior art along with a number of other reasons to claim injury from the frivolous patent.

I wonder who has more money? Worlds.com or SOE? I wonder how many patents Sony has enforced to drive other companies out of business?

Posted: Jan 2nd 2009 11:18PM (Unverified) said

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In 20 minutes of looking through uspto.gov (that would be the United States Patent and Trademark Office official site) . . . even I, a law noob, could find 2 reasons why the patent itself is not legal.

In order for an invention to be patentable it must be new as defined in the patent law, which provides that an invention cannot be patented if: “(a) the invention was known or used by others in this country, or patented or described in a printed publication in this or a foreign country, before the invention thereof by the applicant for patent,” or “(b) the invention was patented or described in a printed publication in this or a foreign country or in public use or on sale in this country more than one year prior to the application for patent in the United States . . .”

With the filing date on the patent being Aug 3, 2000, Everquest would have already been up and running for over a year with its 16 March 1999 release date. Yes, Worlds has work prior to the EQ date, however, they are suing on the grounds of this specific patent which by basic patent law is itself not a legal patent since it sought to patent existing technology.

Also:

A patent cannot be obtained upon a mere idea or suggestion. The patent is granted upon the new machine, manufacture, etc., as has been said, and not upon the idea or suggestion of the new machine. A complete description of the actual machine or other subject matter for which a patent is sought is required.

This would say that its not the conceptual idea of an interactive 3-d world utilizing avatars, but the code which drives it that is patentable. The "actual machine" being the code which drives Worlds.com's engine.

So . . if the suit itself is over a perceived theft of Worlds' code, then yes they definitely have a suit. From what little information has been released and the broadly defined terms of their patent, this is simply not the case.

Posted: Jan 3rd 2009 9:07AM (Unverified) said

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This sort of crap is why I advocate for at the least a reworking and more strict oversight in the patent system, just because what they are doing is defined as legal doesn't mean it also falls under the header of respectable.

Posted: Jan 3rd 2009 9:26AM (Unverified) said

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The single most ridiculous thing I've ever read!

I may not have any knowledge of patenting or advanced knowledge of coding, but I do know how to read and that is the stupidest patent, ever!

I really hope that NCsoft don't only win the lawsuit, but that Everquest, or even better the Government, counter sue worlds.com for stealing the original idea and attempting to patent it, wasting time and money for all involved.

I hope that whole site burns for their unbelievable disrespect of the whole gaming community.

In true MMO style, all I can say is:

/spit

Posted: Jan 3rd 2009 12:16PM (Unverified) said

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oh ya ihatehumans use your techno spit of justice lol

I looked up worlds.com and if they wanted to sue some one for patent infringement and have it be a Ligal case (not frivalis) they would have went for IMVU or There. hell maby Microsoft messenger might have been a closer deal then a full on MMO. I bet they just wanted to see if they could take on a low class (yet still good) game befor they tryed to take on some bigtime game like WOW. if you ask me though, attacking RuneScape might have given them a win, I mean who cares about runescape? if they had the brains to go agenst RS they might have managed to stay under the radar and given themselfs some levrage agenst GW, WoW, Everquest, Kal online, Silk road..... I can go on and on with MMOs that would likely back up NC soft by name heh ya I have regestred to play thatmany but I never stick to them ^_^"

though this case sorta seems like Pokemon suing Digimon for haveing friendly monsters that "evolve, or digivolve" to get stronger and halp ther masters (a human) beat an evil monster or person. yes I did just name them in the order that they came out here in the US because I really dont care when they came out at all >.>

but that troll patent thing also seems possible, I mean there are semi-smart jerks out there in the buisness world >_>

Posted: Jan 3rd 2009 2:56PM (Unverified) said

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F'ing patent trolls!

Jesus people (world.com) why don't you make a decent product and make a decent profit.
Rather then trying to extort money of others.

Luckily, it sounds like another BS patent that will be easily busted..

Posted: Jan 4th 2009 5:39PM (Unverified) said

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the fact of the matter is worlds likely did not file with suit expecting to "win" at all. As I understand it the company being sued may be very interested in settling out of court. Worlds gets some free money under the agreement they stop being a nuicsense.

Why? once again, as I see it, no company with so much at stake could trust the same legal system that allowed this patent to be filed when it was in the first place to come to a proper decision when the ramifications are so great. or other considerations like PR and legal fies might add in compelling them to settle this silently and quickly with cash to make worlds stop it's yapping.

Posted: Jan 5th 2009 9:30AM (Unverified) said

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In other legal news I hear the decendants of Leonardo Da Vinci are suing Eurocopter

Posted: Mar 12th 2009 10:20AM (Unverified) said

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Hmmm, their patent was filed in 2007 and WoW was released in ... 2004 ? They can suck it. Activision-Blizzard's lawyers will bomb them back to the stone age.

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