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Posted: Dec 14th 2008 5:05PM ultimateq said

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Star Wars Galaxies was fairly innovative upon release. I thought it was doing well, but they gave into the crying requests of a small few group of people, and in the end, they changed the game to something completely... Not innovative.

Your right. Successful games are generally the ones that use tried and true formulas to present the game. World of Warcraft is the best possible example of this.

Does this make me sad? Well, yes. I enjoy new things, and trying to adapt. Sadly, there aren't very many new things to enjoy. I am looking forward to freerealms (yes its a kids mmo), I think it can be something very original, and hopefully successful.

Posted: Dec 14th 2008 5:27PM Brendan Drain said

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There's a breft phrase they use in software design that aptly sums up my opinion on this matter. "Innovation is cheap". It's the massive advertising campaigns, expensive graphics engines, realistic models and pristine motion-captured animations that cost new game developers the most. Most of a game's budget will be spent on the bells and whistles, making it very attractive and shiny. The actual gameplay design too often takes a back seat to this and has very little spent on it.

With the current economic climate, game developers may be forced to cut costs and while this may mean less bells and whistles, it's likely to be substituted for its much cheaper counterpart - innovation.

The reality is that while the shiny graphics and a massive advertising budget will net huge sales at launch (look at AoC), an MMO is essentially only as good as its gameplay is fun. And in my mind, that means innovation is essential to player retention. Sure, world of warcraft succeeded by polishing existing MMO concepts to perfection but would that work again now that WoW is out? The fact that WoW is out and has already done that only serves to convince me that innovation is even more important now than it ever has been. I just hope Tabula Rasa's failure doesn't discourage innovation.

Posted: Dec 14th 2008 6:32PM J Brad Hicks said

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When Richard Garriott said "game design has not changed in ten years," what he meant, and what he should have said, was "MY game design has not changed in ten years." There have been substantial innovations in MMO design in the last ten years; he's just not aware of any of them, and that's why his last MMO tanked. City of Heroes' sidekick/reverse sidekick system. City of Heroes' instanced missions that automatically adjust to your level and team size. City of Heroes' Masterminds and their individually-commandable squad of minions. EVE Online's bolting of the Trade Wars gameplay onto an MMO, and resulting perfection of player-run economies. Star Wars: Galaxies' player-created, player-run towns. Whichever MMO invented it, the no-subscription microtransaction model. Neocron's integration of a wide variety of vehicles into PvE and PvP combat. Neocron's first successful merger of FPS and RPG combat mechanics. Generic MMO engines that spread the cost of developing the client/server back-end and the physics engine across multiple games, like Havok's Havok Physics and Simultronics' Hero Engine. Sony's elimination of character levels and character stats in favor of separately earnable unlocks as gateways to equipment and content.

None of those MMO features existed ten years ago. But then, having played Garriott's last game, I'm not particularly surprised to hear that he hasn't heard of (or at least hasn't noticed or thought about) any of them.

Posted: Dec 14th 2008 8:10PM (Unverified) said

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I'm getting tired of seeing the argument that a game is only "innovative" if all its features are new to the genre. Games are not reducible to bullet points on the back of a box. The conglomeration of features that make up a game is unique in of itself.

Let's take an example:
You have three games, game A, game B, and game C. Each have many properties defined as A={x1,x2,...}, B={y1,y2,...}, and C={z1,z2,...}. Along comes game D. D is defined as D={x1,y1,z1,...}. In short it combines qualities of all the previous games but none of those had obtained together in the same game before. The mere juxtaposition of some of these qualities is enough to create a new experience, which if done well ought to count as innovative.

Posted: Dec 14th 2008 9:43PM Jeromai said

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It's fine to innovate or not innovate. As you've mentioned, some people love innovation, some would like just a bit, and some won't want it at all. Though I think you'll find that most sequels attempt to do just a slight bit more than the original game, and that can be all the change and innovation needed.

Just be honest as to whether it really is innovative or not. And people can make their own decision.

Tabula Rasa tanked for me because I was all hyped up on the marketing, that it would be something greatly innovative, and I found Yet Another MMO Clone, complete with FedEx quests, trying to hide itself behind a dysfunctional FPS mask.

(As an aside, I just played Fallout 3, and the FPS turning and targeting system, which mixes levels/skills as well as actual aim is SO much more responsive than Tabula Rasa's attempt.)

Posted: Dec 14th 2008 9:43PM (Unverified) said

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Innovation can be performed rather subtly. That's why it's Behind The Curtain(TM).

Warhammer Online was innovative. World of Warcraft was innovative. EVE Online was innovative. Lord of the Rings Online was innovative. I keep hearing things here and there about DnDO and that's still here. That's only talking about big names that a pretty ignorant person like myself can easily know about. All of these games are still going, so how are they not innovative?

Innovative games are handcrafted, with love and affection, to stand out from the rest. Every game I mentioned above had a unique experience to offer, even if they shared a lot.

Posted: Dec 15th 2008 1:21PM (Unverified) said

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Innovation is just one of several game elements that determines game quality. It is possible to have a game that is new and different and still be an ordeal to play (e.g. pretty much all 3d platform games prior to Mario 64), just as it is possible to have a game with fewer new elements but still be considered good/fun (Halo, Half-Life, et. al.).

To call WoW "not innovative" is to be too adherent on the marketing bullet points on the back of a game box for information, rather then personal or public knowledge. Start with the changing of the game design to accomodate a more casual type of player, then examine the resulting game mechanics and systems. This paradigm shift is not only innovative, it's radical (even if only 4 years ago) and revolutionary, replacing many of the known MMO conventions of the time, literally throwing the door open to (new MMO) players and keeping them. Once you realize this, you start seeing the (sometimes subtle) bits of innovative ideas in a singular MMO package (such as obvious quest indicators, purposeful faster leveling, continual rested xp mechanic, modifiable UI and support, etc.).

But really, this is not WoW Insider. The author should have chosen to point out the innovations or lack thereof in other MMOs to support his ideas.

Also, Ico is a better example of companion-based gameplay than Half Life 2 and Alex Vance, and predates it by about 3 years, though neither of them are MMOs. Alex Vance's pathing could be obstructive, she was invulnerable because Valve didn't want her to die due to player action, and didn't repeat dialog because it would've been just flat-out annoying.

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