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Posted: Dec 4th 2008 7:10PM (Unverified) said

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@ Graill

You're perfectly welcome to express your views on our coverage of the industry. I did ignore this the first time, but come on... the "Massively works for (insert MMO publisher name)" thing again...

I recall you posting something to this effect months ago with your alter ego, something about CCP 'paying us' by taking out advertising space? (In the entire time I've worked here, I've never seen any EVE Online advertisements at Massively. In fact, our advertisers aren't even game companies at all. Apparently Sprint and Tickle Me Elmo are our advertisers right now. I don't work for them, either.)

Here's how it seems to play out in the comments:

If we *don't* write something negative about a game or company, we're fanboys.
But when we *do* write anything negative about that game or company, we're haters.
Or worse -- it's because we favor one game or company over another game or company. Which brings us back into the cycle of "Massively works for (insert MMO publisher name)" again.

The writers here generally just shrug it off when we read things like this because, quite frankly, it's ridiculous to us. But now and again, when I read a comment that insinuates we're in someone's pocket -- more to the point, that *I* am -- there's the thought in the back of my mind that someone out there might actually think this.

The days of gaming press junkets and such are largely over (I would hope, anyway). I'm relatively new to writing about games so I never experienced that reportedly endless gravy train in game journalism that I heard about from years ago.

Working at Massively doesn't mean that I'm showered with gold, ISK, collectors editions, epic armor, faction battleships, and so on. I pay my subs every month, just like all of you do. I'm a gamer, just like all of you are. I was just lucky enough to be offered a job where I could write about it.

This doesn't mean swag and such aren't offered to me on (rare) occasion, or to anyone else who writes about games for a wide audience. I can't speak for other gaming sites and publications, but since I began writing for Massively, it's been made clear to me that we can't accept gifts and services from developers and publishers. It's not just a point of keeping some degree of objectivity on what we cover, it's policy. My viewpoints aren't for sale. I like my job too much to ever jeopardize that.

Again Graill, you've got every right to call us out if you think we're doing something wrong -- you can pretty much say what you want in the comments at Massively as long as it's not something completely horrific. But after all those hours I've spent working on news posts, interviews, and feature stories and then having my integrity called into question... honestly, that's a bit of a kick in the ribs and I think it warranted a response.

I'm really speaking for myself with what I've written here, and not my co-workers. And I'm certainly not speaking for my Massively/Joystiq overlords (who may want me dead for even responding to this). But I'm inclined to think they'd all feel the same way.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 2:22PM Leumas said

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It certainly isn't an exploit, just a creative use for a new ship.

However, CCP does need to find a way to exact penalties on this type of behavior. A hole has been found in the 'security' system that needs to be filled. It shouldn't involve nerfing the Orca.
Maybe allowing faction police or Concord to start podding?

Posted: Dec 4th 2008 3:59PM (Unverified) said

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@leumas:
"Maybe allowing faction police or Concord to start podding?"
- NO. Podding is a serious thing in EVE, you should never just dole out that ability to NPC's.

@Graill: Prepare for long-posted hate. ;)
Perhaps if the majority of other developers and their games tried to be 'new' instead of from-the-mold hack and slash grindfest, there would be things to talk about for other games?
Also, this place is not for anti-eve rant/hate/rage, so please GTFO if you have nothing better to say than "THIS SITE IS OWNED BY EVE BAWWWW I HATE IT BUT I STILL WASTE TIME FOLLOWING ALL THE EVE ARTICLES AND COMPLAINING."
(Taking a look at the front page now there are 2+ WoW, 2+ WAR, and some AOC/SL/COH/EQ2 and several general-MMO related articles. No EVE. The Featured sections on the top right? No EVE. "The Lowdown"? WAR guides. Not EVE. The icon to the left of every post? WoW, not EVE. "i commented about that a few months ago" Has your head been stuck up your arse all this time?)

@Thread: Granted that there is no penalty for this yet, but as previously stated, this is just an EASIER way for pirates to get their ships out to SS. Adding a straight flag for orca is the best solution. (Note: NOT A GLOBAL FLAG)
In the old way, your only revenge other than podding the pirate on the spot would have been to scan down his SS and pew pew his "ready" ships, so the relative same should go for the new way: pod him, or scan down his alts orca and pew pew. Things like increased range of CONCORD aggression/reaction, or related sec hits are basically too far in favor of the victims, who basically aren't willing to get off their ass to defend themselves and want to rely on CCP/CONCORD to break a legitimate playstyle. The goal here is to give some incentives not to play this way, as well as give the ability to relatilate, not swing a hitleresque bat of wrath down to punish someone for doing something they're allowed to in the first place.

Posted: Jan 12th 2009 12:59PM (Unverified) said

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Not an exploit of game mechanics. It may be a social-political exploit BUT -- that is exactly like the real world. Think of the similarities between Green Peace versus Japanese Whalers.

Legal loopholes man.

Of course measures can be taken in EVE legal system. Literally making criminals part of contraband system and having CONCORD "probe out" and visit larger vessels.

But it is not a banning offense as people are being evil within the mechanics.

Posted: Dec 31st 2008 2:07AM (Unverified) said

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"...in favor of the victims, who basically aren't willing to get off their ass to defend themselves"

I find this Massively entertaining. Do you play EvE? You do? Ok, then point me at the item that allows me to use my Industry V to power a laser? Isn't any? Ok, must be something here that allows an industrial character to get back at pirates, or you wouldn't have said so...hmm...let me look some more...wait, here we go, a Veldspar II crystal - Must have some other form that can be loaded into a Mining Upgrade to nuke the incoming pirates. No? Damn, I should keep looking. I got it - surely I can equip this Deep Core miner, put in a Void L and blast away at the incoming infants? No? *sigh* Suppose I'll just sit here and get instablicked in my paperthin miner for the sole keyboardgasm of the infantcorps.

I get constant giggles at the "carebear" title. All those testosterone laden, prepubescent PvP'ers wouldn't have a ship to fly if it wasn't for the carebears mining up the minerals and building them.

Eve has no realistic way for an industrial-minded player to respond to aggression. These sorts of players WANT you to respond so they can blow up more of your stuff.

Eve is a tough world to live in, but the gutterdwellers do not need any more tools nor good graces to let them do their deeds with more impunity than they already have.


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