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Posted: Dec 2nd 2008 1:29PM (Unverified) said

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I dont see what the fuss is about this, The quest giver specifically points out that the item he gives you causes NO PERMANENT damage. But only causes great amounts of pain, It's no different then using mind-games during an interrogation, as the victim only thinks he's feeling pain - he's not actually being harmed.

Posted: Dec 2nd 2008 1:39PM (Unverified) said

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There is 2 quests in the game that involves torture. Another one is a part of the Death Knight starting quest line.

In my personal opinion, if you are irritated about this quest, then I would like to know what do you think about killing throusands of humans, humanoids and innocent creatures like stags, that doesnt even attack you? How about repeatedly killing low level players that have no way to defend themselves or even escape at that matter? Is that not a cruelty? Not a torture you say, if you look from a "real world" perspective? What about warlocks, inflicting great pain with their usual spells, designed to BE a torturing spells and abilities? And you only see this only one quest? Its ridiculous.

In-game there is a war going on. Taking this particular quest - if you dont get vital information from the captive, that has commited limitless crimes against "humanity" overall, then the enemy will torture and kill the prisoner, which is very important person. You think our military wont take such action if the captive would have information about crucial VIP being held by the enemy? Get real. The game is about pain, torture and joy of killing. Like most of the video games.

Posted: Dec 2nd 2008 1:59PM (Unverified) said

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Why would anyone pick this to get upset over vs the massive genocide our characters have dispensed with barely a thought and on the flimsiest of reasons?

How about the Consortium intro quest to collect crystal fragments, which pretty much requires you to kill the hostile Ethereals around them? Sure the Consortium guys say the other ones are bad, yadda-yadda, but do we have any reason to believe this from a group bent on pure profit?

How about the Crossroads quests in the Barrens where you slay Thorntusks a-plenty? The Orcs basically displaced them from their lands, then get annoyed when they try to reclaim them and send you to happily lop off their heads.

How about the Tarren Mill quests where you are asked to basically slaugher an Alliance town? 'Bring me this many human skulls, kill this many farmers and this many blacksmiths and this many acolytes, kill all these important people in the town, kill the town's leader'.

There are plenty of morally-ambiguous and unethical quests. I don't see why this one really has everyone so tweaked. If anything... it gives you a good idea about why the blue dragons are so annoyed with the mages of Azeroth, and the Kirin-Tor are basically the cream of the crop. The instant that they need information, do they use magical persuasion or some other more subtle means? No. They ask you to blast the guy in the head with lightning. Maybe this is why Malygos thinks the mortal races are misusing magic. They just use magic to solve their problems... and instead of thinking and reasoning, they are starting to think and act like little gods... "Hey, tell me what I want to know. No, you won't? Then face my wrath! Raaaah!"

I think this tells us a lot more about the Kirin-Tor than anything, honestly. The fact that they went to torture immediately means they're already pretty unethical and the fact that the questgiver got you to do it because the laws of his sect forbid it basically means that while the Kirin-Tor may have some great, lofty rules, they don't really uphold them. If the rules get in the way they're more than happy to find ways around them.

Posted: Dec 2nd 2008 2:08PM (Unverified) said

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I would have to say that if you have a problem with either of the torture quests then why are you even playing WoW? I mean what type of class does not use torture at some point? Warlocks and priests both have DoTs and they are very much torture, and Rogues have garrote and backstab and those arnt torture? warriors have rend, pallys have stun which they use when they are bashing people, mages have a fire Dot, druids have moonfire, death knights have Dots as well, I dont really know about shamans, and none of those things are not torture?? So how is these quests any different from what everyone has been doing thru out the entire game?

Posted: Dec 2nd 2008 2:58PM Cristiano Cenizo said

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Slaughtering animals by the hundreds, practicing demonic rituals, brewing poisons, playing or killing the undead, fighting to the death in arenas, setting things on fire, taming lions and commanding them to shred people, etc.

Suddenly torture is a big deal? If we're supposed to treat good and bad guys with the same human respect in a video game then what about all the quests where we are asked to behead the final boss of a dungeon and bring it back as proof? I'm sure that is perfectly fine but torturing someone, not okay.

Posted: Dec 2nd 2008 3:20PM (Unverified) said

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I'm Horde, I'm a monster, I think there should be much more torture involved quests... killing everything in sight just gets so blaise.

Posted: Dec 2nd 2008 11:34PM (Unverified) said

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I have two boys who I allow to play WoW once in a while - under very close supervision. Their mother and father are on constantly, as are most of the rest of their extended family. Certain questlines that require you to bring the head of so-and-so are off limits to them.
That being said, I am very concerned about them going to Northrend. My nine-year-old is now a 65 and is getting uncomfortably close to getting there. My wife or I will probably do some quests for him.

I realize that this is a teen game and that the content is really not suited to the level of an E game, and as such I am not complaining that this game is too violent "because of the kids" or anything.

As far as my own enjoyment is concerned, I have been doing a lot of RPing in Northrend on my Tauren Shaman and I have been a little uncomfortable with some of the quests - not just the torture quests. I chalked it up to Northrend itself driving people to violence as it did Arthas.

Warning: SPOILER ALERT

My real uncomfort came in when my wife unlocked the Dragonblight cinematic. I was behind her a couple levels at the time and still working on the undead quests to find the ultimate plague. I was a bit shocked when their true intent - to wipe out the scourge AND the living, regardless of loyalty - was finally revealed.

Posted: Dec 23rd 2008 9:34AM (Unverified) said

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You didn't see that coming? You must not have played any of the prior games or paid much attention to the northrend quests up to that point. Who did you think they were going to use the plague on? The test subjects were more than just mere scourge. Don't you remember testing this plague on that captive scarlet in the cage? Why isn't that triggering any red flags with you people who get uncomfortable with shock torture? Suddenly you can cage and disease/poison a human to death but you can't inflict pain to someone for information. Figures.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2008 5:44PM (Unverified) said

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It's just a game.

If they tell you to kill something, you should kill it.
If they tell you to collect something, you should collect it.
If they tell you to torture something, you should torture it.
If they tell you to rape something, you should rape it.
If they tell you to sift through poo to find something, you should sift through poo until you find it.

If you ever for a moment think that something in real life is ok because a game told you to do it, you should never be allowed to play another game for the rest of your life.

If you feel uncomfortable doing something the game tells you to do, you should immediately discontinue use and go lie down until you feel better.

Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 4:56AM (Unverified) said

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I have killed tens of thousands of players in the game, what's a single case of npc torture compared to that?

Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 5:32PM (Unverified) said

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"I was expecting for there to be some way to tell the guy who gave you the quest that no, actually I don't want to torture a prisoner, but there didn't seem to be any way to do that."

Really? There's simply no way to tell him no? It's called abandoning the quest! Seriously if you feel that strongly about it, pop open your questlog and abandon it. You can even imagine your character threw the torturing thingie back in the dudes face and said "Never!"

I honestly didn't think anything about it when I did the quest. As soon as I figured out I was supposed to torture the dude I just did it and got on with my life, The flavor text even explains that "It does no permanent damage."

Seriously, how can u feel bad about torturing one mob when you just got done KILLING 25 or so outside? You didn't think it was painful when you where stabbing them to death (or whatever you character does to kill something)? At least the guy you tortured is still alive and unharmed afterwards, jeez.

Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 7:17PM (Unverified) said

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Just stupid. You don't have to do the quest if you don't like it, it states what ur about to do unless you don't read in that case you have no one but yourself to blame.

No one cares about some MUDD guy, he can quit the game and I would care less. Maybe it goes to show that kids should NOT be playing this game. It'll do us all a favor if you just shut it and go away.

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