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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 10:22AM (Unverified) said

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I wonder if the landmass reduction combined with the increased influx of newbies will affect the population density significantly...

Posted: Nov 18th 2008 10:31AM (Unverified) said

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I can't say I'm at all surprised. Linden Labs should find a christmas present of a lot of unused land servers thanks to this bone headed move to increase the cost of openspace sims while at the same time reducing their usefulness. And yet, they announce new positions to act as government liasons and official builders for corporate interests, in contrast to their former 'your world you build it' stance.

Goodbye Second Life. Hello Second Office Meeting Room. I for one do not welcome our new corporate overlords.

Posted: Nov 18th 2008 10:42AM TheJackman said

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Died died!! I wish this none-game was dead already!! Its all a crappy chat box.

Posted: Nov 18th 2008 2:28PM (Unverified) said

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Please stick to trolling the SL forums if you're going to be a douche. SL isn't going anywhere, or even "DIED"ing in the least. Understand the article before you form a one-man angry mob, just because you disliked something about it. (Possibly the fact you had to pay for money and couldn't bother to build anything yourself.)
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 10:43AM Anatidae said

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Time to return to First Life I suppose.

Posted: Nov 18th 2008 11:47AM Darkdust said

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It's almost like this was written in English... but not quite.

Posted: Nov 18th 2008 1:26PM (Unverified) said

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"While a number of users have requested a consolidation of four Openspaces simulators into a single ordinary simulator (which would represent an overall net loss of three simulators per consolidation) there is no data available to suggest that any of the requested consolidations have yet been processed." I can confirm this has happened. About three weeks ago my Partner paid a month's rent (about $110 USD) on an Openspace and advised the Estate owner that she would pay higher tier come January then again in July. Compared to the price of a "full" sim it is still a good value to some.

About three days ago the land disappeared with a standard "restart in 5 minutes" warning and didn't come back. After contacting Support it was learned that the Estate owner filed to have the sim and three others consolidated then sold to another party. He never told my Partner that he was going to do this nor did he contact her after the event. Only through the kindness of the Lindens were we able to have the sim restored for 24 hours so we could recover our prims and remove our custom terraforming.

This has been a difficult and heart-wrenching way to confirm the consolidation, but it is happening.

Posted: Nov 18th 2008 2:28PM (Unverified) said

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While their decision with the openspaces was no ones fault but their own, you have to understand this:

The reason for the "land decline" is openspace sims. With an openspace sim (for those of you who don't know) it's the size of a normal region/sim, BUT the amount of objects/scripts is reduced. The SIZE of the actual land is still the same. They are measuring the land decline in meters.

With the rise of the openspace sim prices, people just couldnt afford it. That why they bought an openspace in the first place - to afford something significantly less than a full region, but still have the same amount of actual LAND or SPACE.

So if you think SL is dying, or whatever, think again. This was to be expected - it's not going anywhere.

Posted: Nov 19th 2008 8:13AM (Unverified) said

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might go beyond -5,000 by end of January but most will be voids so full sim equivalent (FSE) will be 1,250 = less than 10% of total FSEs--but it could continue and hard to say how many FSE will remain. Oct was 32,000 made of 5,000 mainland, 14,000 island and 13,000 voids = 3,250 FSE for toal 22,250 FSE. M2 is a totally useless metric--like cowboys adding in scrub to their range.

Posted: Nov 18th 2008 5:13PM (Unverified) said

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If what land owners say in the concierge channel is to be believed. Consolidations have indeed been taking place. While many are asking how long it will take to have the order filled (As is to be expected) there are a few here and there saying they got it done already and how long it took.

So I would expect that yes, there have indeed been consolidations going on.

Posted: Nov 19th 2008 1:33PM (Unverified) said

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The estsate owners where i havemy main house and my have are abandoning 90% of their OS sims, they have 40 of them . . . . . . ..

Posted: Nov 20th 2008 2:49AM (Unverified) said

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I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. More is to come when the first stage of the new pricing hits in January, as you've pointed out, but the real drop will come in July 2009. I doubt that more than 10 or 20% of the OS's that existed before the announcement will be left after that.

Posted: Nov 23rd 2008 6:04PM (Unverified) said

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I went to check out a new club/shopping/castle/etc./etc. area a couple nights ago and was stopped in my tracks with sludge. I checked the land interface as I usually do, since I am an Estate Manager and I see it's a void sim! Not only that it's full to the brim with maybe 250 prims left.

These are the fools that have brought this upon us, they figure they can exploit what was intended to be something Estate owners can use as a low cost way to get some buffer around their full sims. Bullshit on whatever Lindens did or did not intend, it's their product, they can do WTF they want. The fact that the product was abused is why they responded as they did.

Lindens are attempting to put the OS sim land market out of business, and rightly so. It was never intended for people to make money off them, they were for Estate Owners to use as environment buffers. Now they are cost prohibitive for both the land grifters AND the Estate Owners who simply want some scenery. So we all suffer.

Posted: Nov 27th 2008 8:51PM (Unverified) said

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@ Bugboy, I take it you will find no reason to complain if you are told you must pay 67% more for Internet connection? How about for your actual place of residence? Our economy is not based on the idea that those who offer a product can change the deal any time they want. It is based on the idea that they must keep to the letter of agreements.

If they do not intend to rent out 3750 prims for forest (or whatever), and if they did not "intend" to let people rent OS to others, then they should not have acted as they did. Land is land and prims are prims.

You don't go to the store and say oh, if I use the tomatoes on the shelf in soup instead of salad tonight, the farmers might get upset and starve me with high prices.

Posted: Dec 28th 2008 10:43PM (Unverified) said

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I completely agree, the OS sims should never have been used for huge malls with lots of scripts, or for clubs, they should have been used for open spaces and residential areas for one or two families only.

SO WHY WAS THIS NOT MADE CLEAR.

The lindens specifically told people who asked that they could use the sims for whatever they wanted to do with them, THAT is what is wrong, not the fact that they changed their minds, but that they KNEW what they wanted the sims used for, and did not make that clear at the outset.

Posted: Jan 5th 2009 3:56PM (Unverified) said

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Supply always meets demand at the price point. Nothing wrong with buying LESS per the prices set by the seller, or let them adjust their prices to reflect your new level of demand. For the supply side view other business models include 1) shrinking supply to drive up prices, 2) Psyching out you consumers in-world (click-wrap agreements, company-town group think, Ponzi pyramids, AOL-style walled communities), or 3) growing a bigger pie. Mmm pies. I love pies.

But those pies might come from a different bakery.

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