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Posted: Nov 15th 2008 9:51AM (Unverified) said

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Achievements are actually derived from one of WoW's competitors - LotRO. Excellent article apart from that, however

Posted: Nov 14th 2008 3:50PM Softserve said

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I was under the impression that Star Wars Galaxies and City of Heroes had these too... Is that not the case? I've never seriously played either of them.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 10:08AM (Unverified) said

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MajorMotoko and Tony are both correct at least in the sense that Xbox sure as heck wasn't the originator of Achievements.

This was a fine article and I realize Massively doesn't cover the Congressional beat but please, Please, research things a bit more. I truly don't mean to offend or be disrespectful (or to nerd rage on anyone) but it's rather disappointing when there's a lack of historical gaming reference in articles like these.

Maybe the author is young?
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Posted: Nov 14th 2008 2:07PM (Unverified) said

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ROFL. So only Raids & Zones were influences from EQ to WoW?

please...



Posted: Nov 14th 2008 5:43PM wjowski said

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EQ helped WoW by providing a clear model on how not to run an MMO.
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Posted: Nov 14th 2008 1:58PM JohnD212 said

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I really enjoyed this article. Thanks!!

Posted: Nov 14th 2008 3:53PM (Unverified) said

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It's necessary to clarify that these are the external inspirations. So much of WoW is taken from Diablo and Warcraft (especially III).

Posted: Nov 14th 2008 10:55PM (Unverified) said

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Bullspit.! So much of WoW was, and is, stolen from the Warhammer universe. Races, weapons, name...it's all taken from GamesWorkshop's original product: Warhammer.


As for this article, they shouldn't say "Seven games that inspired Blizzard", it should say, "Seven games that Blizzard took their ideas from." And, that's key to say 'took' because that's exactly what they did.
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Posted: Nov 14th 2008 4:07PM (Unverified) said

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Have you ever heard of the game Dungeons and Dragons? You might want to look into it ;)

Posted: Nov 15th 2008 6:17AM (Unverified) said

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Not to mention that Dark Age of Camelot had battlegrounds long before Battlefield 1942.

Posted: Nov 18th 2008 11:58AM (Unverified) said

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All of these games took eveything from D&D.. period.

Posted: Nov 18th 2008 10:36AM (Unverified) said

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You forgot Warhammer. Not the online game, the original tabletop game. I love wow, but blizz has been "borrowing" alot from game workshop all these years.

If I'm not mistaken, Orcs and Humans came about after a deal b/w the two companies fell through.

Posted: Nov 18th 2008 11:06AM Wispur said

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You are correct. Warcraft was originally going to be a Warhammer RTS game licensed by Blizzard. But for whatever reason, Games Workshop pulled the plug. So, Blizzard basically renamed the game, tweaked anything directly related to the Warhammer universe and released it as a different game, Warcraft.

Since then, Warhammer has been a direct influence to most of the Warcraft world. Both thematically and visually. While the idea of Orcs and Goblins was around before both companies, the idea of green skinned Orcs with protruding lower tusks in a stooped posture was and is purely a Games Workshop creation.

Heck, one of the Dwarf champions even says "My Warhammer cost 40k." A clear reference to the Warhammer 40k game by Games Workshop.

I'm a huge fan of the tabletop Warhammer world and have enjoyed for many years the many nods to Warhammer placed in both WoW and it's ancestral RTS games.

But when it comes down to it, yes, Warcraft was originally going to be a Warhammer game.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 12:32PM (Unverified) said

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No Nate. All of these games took everything from Lord of the Rings, which inspired D&D. Lord of the Rings took everything from Nordic and Germanic myth. Which I'm sure took there stuff from a Neanderthal somewhere.
Wispur. Games Workshop didn't license their IP to Blizzard because they're policy as far as other people playing in their sandbox is to have complete creative control. If a company making a game based on GW property wants to do something that GW dislikes, at all, they can't do it. GW also charges ALOT for their IP. That's also why we'll probably never see a 40k movie.
Also, Games Workshop's IP manager at the time Warcraft was being made was a moron

Posted: Nov 18th 2008 12:48PM (Unverified) said

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No Greg, Lord of the Rings books have no roleplaying elements. Lord of the Rings books have no game mechanics. D&D rules were radically different from Warhammer to focus more on the single player perspective, and that is what WoW was based off of. All these were related, but World of Warcraft was not directly a descendant of LoTR or Warhammer.

Saying that Nordic and/or Germanic mythology were "taken from neanderthals" is ludicrous as well. Just think about it for a moment.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 12:37PM (Unverified) said

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SORELY missing from this list is D&D. Yes, Dungeons and Dragons. What people don't realize is that a significant amount of math were derived from D&D. For example, the original 5% miss base miss rate and the 5% base critical chance. The dual-wield miss penalty. Many spells pay tribune to D&D as well. Slow Fall anyone? Counterspell? Shapeshifting druids?

There are many more, but D&D is an extremely important influence that was missing from this list that included less influential titles just to make "a list of seven", while missing the big D&D.

Posted: Nov 18th 2008 4:29PM (Unverified) said

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Does anyone remember Tele-Arena? It was a text-based RPG game that was distributed to BBSes during the 1990s.

I was a GM for a very customized version of Tele-Arena called "Tele-Arena 1997" (TA97). TA97 was customized by Montreal-based Vircom. It was a dramatic move - it incorporated things like double classes (combining mage & priest talents), quests, but also battlegrounds.

I was a GM for the customer service aspects, so I never really saw the designing and programming side. Still, I have to wonder if my former colleagues went on to Blizzard (one of themis currently a programmer at Mythic entertainment for Warhammer) and implemented some of TA97's ideas there.

I already mentioned battlegrounds where people in a certain level range could win prizes, but we also implemented first aid, hunter pets, and even mounts.

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