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Posted: Nov 7th 2008 8:07PM Rollins said

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Personally, I think that it's freakin' sweet.

Somehow, I doubt they'll be used for powerleveling, hording resources, or farming gold. So theoretically, they shouldn't really impact anyone else's in-game experience too much.

I have to laugh when I imagine the potential, though...

"U.S. government works way into top position in major EVE corporation, then dismantles it from within."

haha!

Posted: Nov 8th 2008 1:26AM (Unverified) said

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Red Alliance better watch out in EVE.
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Posted: Nov 7th 2008 8:13PM (Unverified) said

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Be interesting to see if this really goes anywhere. Current bots are extremely obvious and not useful for much besides grinding. If the Army's bot can actually respond to questions in a somewhat legible manner and say, participate in group content, they'll have really proven something. If all it does is wander around a killing field aimlessly smacking down mobs but is better at responding to tells, well . . . meh.

Posted: Nov 7th 2008 9:51PM JediPagan said

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That's scary. Really scary.

Posted: Nov 7th 2008 10:32PM (Unverified) said

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Be afraid. Be very, very afraid.

Posted: Nov 7th 2008 11:04PM Lateris said

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At last it is all coming together as we have planned.


~Skynet~

Posted: Nov 8th 2008 11:42AM hami83 said

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I highly doubt they will be violating the terms of use because both Blizzard and whoever made EVE would be contacted and aware of the botting, because they would probably also need data on their sides.

And yes, it's not like they're using it to bot. They are using it to try and act like real players.

I can see the people at Blizzard fully accepting this, cause really, as nerds as they are, it's pretty cool! lol

Posted: Nov 8th 2008 1:13AM drypulse said

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i'd have to agree that it is pretty sweet. be interesting to see at what stage their ai is at. i'll be blown away if it's not very detectable.

wonder if blizz would allow them to test within their game. and then if it would be on a pvp server kickin my ass 8P

Posted: Nov 8th 2008 1:28AM (Unverified) said

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Or they could use them to infiltrate all the major guilds/corps and have the bots record all conversations (/tinfoil cap).

Posted: Nov 8th 2008 6:00AM Graill440 said

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This strikes a note close to home, the term ignorant doesnt begin to describe the idea and it's advertised implementation in a game (s) to see what will happen.

Other than the obvious waste of tax dollars to provide job security to a little section of the military for civilians this idea is indeed ignorant. Those that think they will be benefitting in some way, namely wow or eve need to pay attention to the use of the afore mentioned term.

To those that havent served and have not been in some type of "R&D" in the military, contractor or otherwise for vr worlds or ai programming you need not waste time standing on a soapbox, i can.

The single biggest disqualifier for either test in the games mentioned above is the demographic population of those games and their mentality, in a streotype mindset of course. One need but visit youtube or any other video site to see examples of the folks in these games that will be giving info to these moronic phd's.

They could save the taxpayers millions by simply putting a banana in a box with a monkey and recording the result, because, believe me, they will apply the answers they want to the findings they want published for the military to see and the officer in charge of the program will happily go along with it.



Posted: Nov 8th 2008 10:16AM Rihahn said

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As a test engineer for a couple government video-game / training-simulator systems, I find your faith in monkeys disturbing.

If anything, using "AI" is probably giving the research a lot of credit.

This is probably a 'battlefield awareness" application used to coordinate troop movement and availability. This sort of system can easily be tested in an MMO given the dynamics of the "raid" mechanic.

The chances of *anyone* seeing this system in operation outside of the R&D "guild" working with it are about zero, so you can relax.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2008 5:33PM Graill440 said

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Nice to see another contributor to the army ai program, since this is such a small group and everyone knows each other, maybe i know you, which section in gaming/ai did you work in? RTI sponsored and is still sponsoring this program, who is/was your team lead?

and yes i have more faith in monkeys than i do any PHD that isnt supervised by NCO's
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Posted: Nov 9th 2008 11:18AM (Unverified) said

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I find it amusing that any "contributor to an army AI program" would have such poor spelling, grammar, and sentence/paragraph structure. It smacks more of trolling than actual informed commentary, particularly considering both the Army's legendary discipline requirements, and the rigid requirements in word use for scientific papers of any kind (see: APA Guidelines, the standard for official paper creation).

That said, I also take issue with the stereotyping of players in World of Warcraft, as most of the people I have met or interacted with directly have, for the most part, been intelligent and engaging. The minority (yes, minority) who tend to post frequently on the fora (Latin plurals, please, people) or on YouTube with videos of their latest exploits in "dickery" are just that... a loud but small minority. People who play the game span all walks of life, levels of education, and even countries of origin, and thus make a good testing ground for AI research, especially since the environment itself is bound by readily researchable and simple rulesets.

In other words, good day, sir. Take your monkeys and your banana, and place them in an uncomfortable position in your nethers.
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Posted: Nov 11th 2008 6:38AM Graill440 said

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I am assuming by your crude use of a perfectly good banana that your a diehard WOW fanboi i seemed to have pissed off, suck it up and grab a tissue i could really care less about your feelings, particularly when you seem to think that my grammar on this blog is a soapbox for your frustrations.

Your response to my blog was fine up to the last 2 lines, even your pathetic attempt at correcting my grammar, mistakes i can live with by the way, were fine until that last part.

You also corrected me on sentence/paragraph structure and yet the second paragraph in your piece starts out like it does? Maybe you should have proof read your piece one more time, as i am quite sure you scoured your piece before posting to try and make a point after i pissed on your cheerios.

I could quote you army regulations on your "paper creation" till your gasping for air, but then it's really useless in a blog of this type as we cant really converse face to face.

It will probably burn your ass to know i wrote lesson plans and reports for very high ranking officials, some still in use today in the army's maintenance school programs. Of course i made good use of a spellchecker if that helps you sleep better.

And one final thought for you Onetrueping, before correcting someone, make sure ALL your posts are (grin) grammatically correct, or you simply look like a fool.
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Posted: Nov 12th 2008 7:59AM (Unverified) said

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No, I don't look like a fool, because I'm not trying to wave around credentials that are unproven in their veracity. Please, try again. One does not need to be a member of a craft, or even the best at it, to critique it effectively... they should just know enough about it to know what to look for.

Nice attempt at trying to discredit my response to your post, however. Too bad it doesn't address the issue of the stupidity of trying to make unverified and unsupported claims of any sort. Go ahead, back up your claims with links to actual documentation. It's proper form, after all. And until you do, your comments hold as much weight as any other comments on this blog
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Posted: Nov 8th 2008 9:10AM (Unverified) said

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As a Turing test, is there any better, harsher, or easily accessible environment than a MMO? You have a large, diverse social group at the ready who are already predisposed to the existence of bots. I don't see how this is an obvious waste of resources when it costs the government essentially nothing to test these systems versus a live and everchanging population. Imagine the costs of funding a more traditional study on this scale.

Posted: Nov 8th 2008 1:38PM GenBanks said

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Makes me wonder about the future of the single/multiplayer game divide, if you can make AI as convincingly human as real humans.

Posted: Nov 8th 2008 4:58PM nomoredroids said

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Robot Apocalypse? What?

Posted: Nov 9th 2008 7:16AM wjowski said

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Nice...so while the U.S. government is strapped for cash during one of the worst economic disasters in the 20th century the military apparently has enough money to piss away setting up bots in MMOs? I think I've got a few ideas as to where President Obama can start using that 'scalpel'.

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