Well that same old soup served the same old way has completely changed the MMO market, destroyed all other games as far as numbers go, and is still growing. Seems that recipe is pretty successful. Even if he's blatantly lying as you seem to think and doubling the numbers, still no other game comes close.

As far as people re-dumping it-- you have to dump it before you can re-dump it, and since WoW numbers hit 11 million after WAR came out, it seems most people just never left it to begin with.

People like you who are tired of the game are the loudest voices, but there are over 10 million people still paying for it (taking into consideration the % with multiple accounts), keep that in mind.

Oooh the usual X millions user bla bla bla.

Who cares? Even the big brother and the other reality shows are watched and drooled upon by million goons. That doesn't make them quality TV, or superior to anything else.

WoW is successful because it hands out fake fantasy "success" to it's players on a silver platter, but as far as quality or innovation goes, it's laughable.

A big percentage of those 10 millions are there just because they never really tried something else, because they don't want to leave friends and guild, or simply because they're frightened to waste all the time they spent on the game, most definately not because wow is any better than any other MMORPG out there (it's, quality-wise, one of the worst) Keep that in mind.

In any case, Warhammer's retention rate is quite a proof that WoW won't kill this one, despite what Morahime and his fellow goons drool every time a new potentially successful MMORPG is released (while copying features from them whenever they can).

The sub numbers of WoW are all funky now too as they include the Asian markets that don't have the same model as us.

I would be more interested to know what the actual subscription numbers are for US, UK, Aussie, Asian, etc...

And what will the number of a game like WAR be when it releases into the Asian markets too?