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Posted: Nov 1st 2008 12:14AM (Unverified) said

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Sorry guys, but on this one I will have to disagree, and here's why. First off, yes, D&D (movie) was a gigantic disaster and incredibly painful to watch even for someone who is a fan of the D&D game, world, etc. Now, if someone would have tried to make the WoW film around the time the D&D film came out, there is no way it could have happened.

But, one thing changed that, and I'm certain this point will be used both for my argument and against it. That point is The Lord of the Rings Films.

No one can deny that thanks in large part to the brilliance of Peter Jackson and his Weta team that the Rings films were a spectacular achievement, and those films proved a simple point; that if you get the correct people who not only have an understanding of the material but a passion for it, a film based on a epic franchise, book, games, etc, can be done and done right.

Now, both New Line and the Tolkien camp -before the split- went out of their way to make sure that all the correct people were picked for they're project, due in large part to the fact that even before the release of the second film a large sum of money was put into Fellowship and New Line likely wanted to make sure they were not just burning money.

Given their level of quality, it is safe to say that Blizzard will almost certainly take the same stand point. Now, as to the point made that this film will never see the light of day due to the fact that all we've ever seen of the Film is the Teldrassil concept art, well....okay, hasn't that always been Blizzard's approach to they're projects? A little tease, then a LONG period of silence and then "bang", we get a title wave of info.

Truth be told, I would much rather they take their time, do all the concept art, do all the production math, then when the film is locked, and ready to roll, hit me with everything just so, in the end, I know they made sure everything was right.

Bottom line, I not only believe this movie will get made -and case in point, Blizz even made mention of the movie at Blizz-Con- but that it "should" get made, so that the few human beings left on the planet who have no real understanding of WoW can learn just why not only the game, but the "world", is the amazing entity it is.

Posted: Nov 1st 2008 3:34AM drunkenpandaren said

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DnD also didn't have much of a budget to begin with.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2008 11:28PM wjowski said

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...What exactly do those crappy Dungeons & Dragons movies have to do with WoW?

Posted: Nov 1st 2008 3:41AM (Unverified) said

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One has to consider that the WoW movie is in the hands of one of the highest profile production companies in Hollywood right now: Legendary Pictures

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legendary_Pictures

Starting in 2005, their movies have included: 300, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, Superman Returns and the upcoming Watchmen. Those are all MAJOR movies, and that's the goal they'll be aiming for with World of Warcraft. Others they're working on are the Clash of the Titans remake and the Gears of War movie.

It's true that WoW probably won't make the original target year of 2009, but that doesn't mean the movie won't get made... movies just sometimes take a long time. The WoW movie wasn't announced until 2006, so we're only 2 years in. For a big project like WoW, that's a blink. If I was to make a guess, I'd say we're probably looking at something more like a summer, 2011 release.

Posted: Nov 1st 2008 8:17AM (Unverified) said

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Great a movie that is 2 hours of someone grinding to 80. Great concept, I love it.

Posted: Nov 1st 2008 8:44AM (Unverified) said

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*cough*Lord of the Rings*cough*

Thanks for playing though.

Posted: Nov 1st 2008 12:14PM Ayenn said

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Ffor criminies sake, its WoW! A game with supper shallow and superficial content cannot possibly support a movie worth seeing. The DnD movie is a sufficient example of what would result (though I never understood why it was so bad of a movie... you would think DnD would yield something that didn't make ya want to cut your eyes out and puncture your eardrums).

Posted: Nov 1st 2008 2:52PM Bluefyre said

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A WoW movie would be based around lore not content. thanks for playing the 'I hate WoW!' game. Your parting gift is hanging your head in shame.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2008 8:46AM Ayenn said

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Actually it is not the "I hate WOW game" i am playing. It is a critical assessment. Hate is an emotional response. I'm afraid I do not have strong emotional responses to the existence of a game. I have observations I have compiled from over a decade of active research of and into MMORPGs. Cander, I'm a MMORPG Narratologist, I study "story", plot, lore, reader reaction, reader response, and narrative design. I must be as objective in my research as possible. In that research I have found that WoW is among the most shallow when it comes to quest content and lore. Its narrative content is not a rich tapestry, it is a plastic doormat.

I will clarify the fact that I almost exclusively specialize in MMORPGs developed by and for western culture. With that I'll say, admittedly there are some eastern MMORPGs that are FAR more shallow than WoW. As far as western MMORPGs are concerned WoW is really among the least developed when it comes to anything resembling the concept of "story"

By the way, content also includes lore. They are not separate concepts. one is subsumed by the other, not independent of it.
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Posted: Nov 1st 2008 8:16PM Mystal said

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Any one who is comparing LoTR to WoW is pretty retarded. One of them was a series of highly respected novels, and one of them is merely a setting, with a very mediocre storyline associated.

As for Legendary Pictures, they have done a marvelous job of taking graphic novels and turning them into movies, but that's a slam dunk for any competent bunch from the movie industry to do.

A graphic novel is practically a story board, visual guide, and movie script rolled into one. If you can't make a good graphic novel into a decent movie (especially with an epic budget and a loyal fan base attached) you are a failure as a movie maker.

Turning a SETTING (and that's what Warcraft is) into a movie is tough, because other than a visual style you pretty much need to create everything from scratch.

This is why movies based on video games pretty much always fail. Good stories are hard to find, and starting with a pre determined setting makes it harder rather than easier. If you don't have a good story then you don't have a good movie, no matter who directs it, acts in it, does the costumes for it, etc.

Posted: Nov 1st 2008 9:08PM Calen said

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You do realize, however, that there ARE novels of WoW? Both graphical and non so? They got plenty more than just a setting, sir.

Read up a little, get your head out of the monitor.

Calen
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2008 6:37AM (Unverified) said

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Aww look at the little troll. "Mediocre storyline" and everything..

Maybe if you had read the post and, you know, had been old enough to have read about the LotR movies when they were in the making, you'd notice certain similarities. Aside from all the worries the fans had upfront, what other property has such a pulling power on people outside it's core demographic?

Hint: it's not D&D but the author had to make his "it'll be shitty" point.

WoW has a metric shitload of lore and enough interesting characters to give me a little faith in the character development in any future movie. Not to mention that Blizzard are renowned for their cinematics and never show anything until they're confident in it anyways.

Add to that that they have proven they can shift between genres quite successfully and top it off with bringing their own audience and there's really no reason why this wouldn't work.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2008 9:11AM Ayenn said

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Recursive, I hate to use the following tired and cliché phrase, but, quantity does not mean quality. Shallow content is not a designation of a small number or amount of stories, quests, and bits of lore. Shallow content means that that existing material is not well developed.

The fantastic aspect of under-developed story is it can be adapted easily to most any other IP. Go and look at Blizzard’s other IPs. You will find they are using the same story or parts of stories adapted to a different base concept.

I’m not trying to criminalize Acti-Blizz. Other companies are very guilty of the same thing. Hell, all of Hollywood does this recycling of story thing. All I am saying is that for the experts, the academics, the people whose job it is to be critical and objective, WoW content is simply not that impressive.

In an as backwards way this actually does support the assertion that WoW would be a good IP for a movie, which is the reason I believe DnD was used in this article. The DnD IP is possibly the longest running and most dense of all other IPs in existence when it comes to story. That is over 30 years of story development across many completely different worlds... and look what happened when they tried to make movies. It was quite sad, really. They make my wife shudder.

An equal weight of M-n-Ms is not nearly as tasty as a Ferro Rocher candy. Quantity vs. quality. There is no math to do...
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2008 1:13AM (Unverified) said

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For the record, dubbing someone "retarded" over a view point or opinion that is not in of itself offensive is fairly myopic; in the future try to have even a modicum of respect as you would be surprised how far such a little thing goes.

Secondly, I was not comparing World of Warcraft to Tolkien's masterpiece. The comparison I used was to highlight how the success of the films have made a feature length epic like the Warcraft movie, or movies, possible.

Lastly, Legendary films may have thus far only taken graphic novels and other similar media and converted them to film, but the point made by myself and others is the fact that they have done it "well", and have been one of the few to do so out of a massive film industry attempt. Another point I made in my response to the article stated how any franchise can be taken to the big screen with great success, so long as those doing so are the right people for the right job. Legendary Pictures, and Blizzard Entertainment accordingly, will see that said people are a part of their joint venture.

Posted: Nov 2nd 2008 7:24AM (Unverified) said

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Can we have some proof on the "most WoW players don't know the story anyways" thing btw?

Considering it's lineage and the fact that for a lot of people it was their first MMO (at which point you still read quests), that doesn't really fly with me. Arguably the return of Kael and what he's up to passes a lot of people by, but the general story should be quite clear to everyone who even makes it to 70. Does anyone really not know who Arthas is?

There's details, sure, but that only serves as a means to make the world more attractive.

Posted: Nov 2nd 2008 12:38PM (Unverified) said

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The worst kind of geek is the jaded geek. That is all.

Posted: Nov 2nd 2008 11:41PM drunkenpandaren said

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If the DnD movie took place on the Sword Coast I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have sucked.

Posted: Nov 3rd 2008 10:13AM Arkanaloth said

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and a WoW movie should never be made... ever. Many an excellent franchise has had a craptacular movie created "in it's honor". The movie industry is just *NOW* figuring out how to make superhero movies that don't suck... I give them 20 years or more to get to that point with games. With the possible exception of RPG's, games often have far less well defined story arcs.

Posted: Nov 4th 2008 11:20AM (Unverified) said

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Those that say this game has a shallow story line must be new to the game/franchise.

Even if you've never played the Warcraft series, and only played since the beginning of WoW. There's plenty of story line to be had.

Play WoW and do the Molten Core, Onyxia, and Black Wing Lair story lines. I think they're great.

For those that say it's shallow content...please read the quest lines you are given when doing the above pre-BC content rather than just hitting "accept" when the quest pops up.

Also, as mentioned before. There are quite a few Warcraft books.

Better to be thought and idiot while silent than to open your mouth and confirm it.

Posted: Nov 4th 2008 1:17PM (Unverified) said

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To say that a game with 3 base RTS games (the third setting it up) has no story-line or even that it is anything less than great is a dumb@$$. Listen, to have a game branch out of an RTS, take off, and become the leading MMO of current time must have something? What is it? Could it be the story-line of the Burning Crusade? Maybe the vast undead Lich army and Lich King Arthas who ued to be the sun of a human king? I hardly see anything that is not border;line original. An epic worl spanning 2 deminsions, many planets, and even a hell-like nethervoid that houses the most horrifying demons I have seen in an MMO of this calibur. To NOT make of movie of this is complete MADNESS. I agree, LotR is hard to compare to a new age game but WITH the success of such fantasy films as LotR franchise and new supernatural/super hero movies such as batman, hulk, ironman, and more... It is only a matter of Blizzard's fear of making a failure as D&D became that is haulting the movie. The same fear Bungee had with the Halo movies. The world is ready for a WoW movie. Even Everquest, the MMO that made MMOs what they are today has released that they are too making a movie. (Maybe to counter WoW's success.)
Also, if you have played WoW, you would know that to see some of the scenery in movie would be nothing less than Epic.
My 2 cents.
Erk

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