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Posted: Oct 17th 2008 8:42PM (Unverified) said

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I get the feeling this is something that has been taken out of context and being used as an excuse to be allowed to do what they want. By this reasoning, voices over the phone are not 'real voices' but digital replicas, so it's okay to spy on them, since they're not 'real'. Obviously this is completely false. While an avatar is not a separate entity in and of it's own right, it is a digital representation and communications medium, and should follow the same laws and rights as any other communications medium.

Posted: Oct 17th 2008 10:08PM (Unverified) said

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I'm afraid I'm going to have to join Professor Stein in saying that most avatars are not real.

I mean, have you seen the breast size on those avatars? Definitely implants.

Posted: Oct 17th 2008 10:17PM (Unverified) said

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Well, an avatar is manifestly not a person. But Stein obviously knows that spying on an avatar is hardly different to spying on the user. Otherwise there would be no point.

A handbag isn't a person either -- but the US government is constrained from placing listening or tracking devices in it. It shouldn't be too hard to figure out why :)
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Posted: Oct 18th 2008 1:25AM (Unverified) said

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It goes deeper that this...It's about getting people to work for free and giving up any rights to their original IP's.

Maybe 1 in 7 million contributors might get recognized. The rest goes to the highest bidder.



Posted: Oct 18th 2008 5:22AM (Unverified) said

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have you seen the breast size on those avatars? Definitely implants.

Greetz Bob

Posted: Oct 18th 2008 5:54AM fatpanda said

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Well there are 2 main reasons that the US Government can and will "spy" on avatars.

1. Most avatars are created and used on a private companies website or internal system (XBox Live, inside an MMO World, etc) and the user almost always has to agree to the terms of service and there is these TOS there is usually a part about the end user not owning or having any rights to said avatar or other virtual goods and those items remain property of the company who's TOS the end user is accepting.
Therefore if the government wants to "spy" and the company says go ahead then it's legal.

2. The second reason is simple and really with this reason in effect reason 1 doesn't even matter but i like to try and sound like a smartface so I mentioned it anyway. Reason 2 in The Patriot Act. Go read it. All the US Government has to do is suspect any US citizen of treason or of being a terrorists ans they can pretty much do whatever they want and I'm not exaggerating. That includes, but is in no way even closely limited too, placing listening or tracking devices in someones handbag or on their person like a poster above me said the are constrained from doing.

Posted: Oct 19th 2008 7:30PM fatpanda said

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Well there are 2 main reasons that the US Government can and will "spy" on avatars.

1. Most avatars are created and used on a private companies website or internal system (XBox Live, inside an MMO World, etc) and the user almost always has to agree to the terms of service and there is these TOS there is usually a part about the end user not owning or having any rights to said avatar or other virtual goods and those items remain property of the company who's TOS the end user is accepting.
Therefore if the government wants to "spy" and the company says go ahead then it's legal.

2. The second reason is simple and really with this reason in effect reason 1 doesn't even matter but i like to try and sound like a smartface so I mentioned it anyway. Reason 2 in The Patriot Act. Go read it. All the US Government has to do is suspect any US citizen of treason or of being a terrorists ans they can pretty much do whatever they want and I'm not exaggerating. That includes, but is in no way even closely limited too, placing listening or tracking devices in someones handbag or on their person like a poster above me said the are constrained from doing.

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