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Posted: Oct 16th 2008 3:28PM Nadril said

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Chances are some of those that returned to WoW may end up returning to WAR later on, once WoW gets boring in a few months again.

I mean, it's pretty obvious that a new patch and upcoming expansion pack would take some subs from other games. It's still nothing to be worried about, As WAR has plenty of players.

Posted: Oct 16th 2008 3:30PM (Unverified) said

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This is in no way a surprise to me. WoW is very familiar to most players and when they release a major patch to add in a bunch of new skills and talents, you can bet your ass that people are going to want jump in and see what's happened to something they've invested lots and lots of time on. I myself felt the pull...that is until I read the Shaman class forums and saw the further butchery of the only class I ever wanted to level to the cap. Wake me when they balance their PvP, until then WAR's got my attention.

Posted: Oct 16th 2008 3:48PM wjowski said

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Apparently nobody remembers the near back-to-back number of 'Is WAR The WoW-Killer!?' articles that were being passed around here no more than one or two months ago.

Newsflash. WoW's the largest MMO on the market and it's about to release a hugely-anticipated expansion. Of course that's going to draw alot of coverage from sites like Massively.

Posted: Oct 16th 2008 4:08PM (Unverified) said

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okay this might be speculation... BUT! if 50% returned to wow where would the other 50% be? is that a win for wow or war?

the people who left for war probably left behind a couple of level 70s with like 150 days of play time behind.

Posted: Oct 16th 2008 4:16PM (Unverified) said

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Not really much of a surprise. EQ would release an expansion every 6 months for the subscriber boost and exp. pack revenue.

What it does, however, is build resentment when those expectations aren't met with the expansion packs. WoW built goodwill with TBC, but the number of naysayers has grown as people realized that ultimately WoW is just one big equipment based treadmill. People buy expansion packs expecting that things will change, that the game will become fun again, etc......and then those expectations fall flat.

It's anecdotal, but I've multiple guildmates who are taking a last chance approach with WoW. Most of these guildmates are playing multiple MMO's, and the only thing WoW has over the rest of the pack at this point is population.

LOTR has the best immersion/PvE content available, in my opinion...WAR has this covered from the PvP standpoint. EVE is the ultimate sandbox, and PotBS is for those looking for something different. EQ2 is a blast to play with a good guild, and it's even better if you're familiar with the EQ lore. Every single one of these games has made HUGE strides in quality, client, and content over the past year or years....while in WoW, the grind continues...

So yes, people will go back to WoW, but they're going to have multiple subs, and they're going to drop the game when the grind gets to them.

How many of the 12 million players are North American? Of this, how many have multiple subs?

Nothing will ever "de-throne" World of Warcraft in the near future, though I'd imagine some Eastern MMO's probably come close in the matter of numbers. But it's no longer the "future of MMO's", and there are many out there looking for something, anything, different.

Posted: Oct 16th 2008 4:38PM (Unverified) said

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Or,

Virtual battered wives going back to virtual abusive husband.

Posted: Oct 16th 2008 4:44PM (Unverified) said

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I'm not sure their reading of the trend is accurate.

1: People cancel WoW accounts all the time.
2: WAR comes out, .5 million cancel within 1 week.
3: 3.0 comes out, they get .25 million people reactivating accounts.

SO: 50% of WAR came back!

Except they forgot something.

#1.

I know a few people that cancelled their accounts after they dropped Kil'jaedin. "Beat game, done till LK"
This was well before WAR.

So that person reactivates to see how 3.0 is and they see this as them returning from WAR.

I think a LOT of the reactivated accounts were not WAR related but were just "Oh, something new again, going back to WoW until it bores me" activations.

Heck, half the new stuff announced in PVP panels at Blizzcon were direct answers to things in WAR. Blizzard is worried about PVP and is hosing PVE for it. Ask ret paladins about their new changes...

Posted: Oct 16th 2008 5:42PM Calen said

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Best. Picture. Ever.

Posted: Oct 16th 2008 7:17PM Anatidae said

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I am going to cancel my entertainment weekly subscription.

Just to blow everyone's minds.



Lets see how the analysts spin that one!

Posted: Oct 16th 2008 7:31PM cowthulhu said

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Uh how would they know that these are WAR players coming back? They might just be lapsed WOW players coming back from the patch. I canceled my WOW sub two months back but still downloaded the patch anyway in anticipation of coming back when I have a little more time.

Posted: Oct 16th 2008 8:39PM (Unverified) said

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Angus and Ugkul have it right. Blizzard can't claim that 50% of the players who left for WAR have come back because they have no empirical way to get that data. An exit survey is highly unreliable as some people quit without citing WAR, and some people quit citing WAR with no intention of playing the game.

Blizzard does not know how may players have cancelled their WAR subscriptions, and have no way to correlate that with people returning to WoW even if they did. People are returning to WoW because of patch 3.0, irrespective of whatever reason they quit for.

Blizzard can make 2 statements that would be true:

1) We've had a bunch of canceled accounts resub as a result of patch 3.0
2) 50% of people who filled out the exit survey and claimed to be leaving to play WAR have resubscribed to WoW

Neither of those statements say anything about subscribers of WAR leaving for WoW, which is implied by the original Blizzard statement and has no factual basis.

Posted: Oct 17th 2008 1:09AM (Unverified) said

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Have none of you know-it-alls ever quit WoW? Let me give you a hint: They give you a 30 sec exit "interview" where you are given a list of very specific choices for why you are leaving. One of those choices is "For another game" and among the games listed is "Warhammer Online." I can tell you I am one of the many people who listed WAR as the reason I was quitting. At the time I did it to send a message to Blizzard. If I ever came back to WoW, they could easily track my account as one who left for WAR and returned. This is not rocket science people. For every person who selects WAR, they have the cold, hard numbers. This is not rocket science, people, stop living in denial and just own up to the fact that a significant number of people have left WoW, switched to WAR, and came back to WoW shortly thereafter.

Posted: Oct 17th 2008 10:53AM (Unverified) said

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Haha, I was thinking the same thing - that exit interview has clear questions as to why you quit...

Obviously the people on this board have no idea what they are talking about.
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Posted: Oct 17th 2008 8:56AM (Unverified) said

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Requoted for TRUTH:

Venix said...
1. Please Rename the Article to: Massively endorses Blizzard for MMO for life

2. Instead of being called Massively...change the name to Massively Bias

3. You're really going to take this guy's word for it? I mean honestly?

4. As the above poster said...how the hell does he even know they are coming back from WAR? I really doubt it's true....it smacks of spin to me

Posted: Oct 17th 2008 10:55AM (Unverified) said

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Wow, that just showed your age.
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