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Posted: Oct 14th 2008 2:53PM Abriael said

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And again someone on massively writes the usual "war is fun bla bla" BUT "soon we'll have wrath of the lich king, bla bla".
I for one, won't pay ANY attention to the "angry, chilly, undeady monarch", since IMHO it doesn't deserve any. War is great fun, it introduces several novel concepts to MMORPGs even if it retains a similar basic structure, while WOTLK is nothing else than more of the same (crap) that blizzard has been farming it's users with since WoW's launch, with an added class that every emo kid in the playerbase is going to play.

But seriously, It'd be time to grow up and try to write some articles about war without blowing smoke up blizzard's rear? Thank you.

Posted: Oct 14th 2008 2:59PM Solidkjames said

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Well said Abriael. I loved WoW for 3 years then they released TBC ruining the game for millions. So comparing a game to pre TBC WoW is one thing but comparing a game to a shell of a MMO as TBC and soon to be WOTLK is not even close. WoW ruined their game and every time I read where someone says oh WoW has this or that it makes me wonder what WoW they are playing. Because the WoW of today blows monkey balls compared to WAR and hopefully Mythic doesn't make the same mistake.

Posted: Oct 14th 2008 4:00PM Triskelion said

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You want to know what's emo? People complaining about WoW, just let it the fuck alone already - yes, you're super cool because you left WoW, a game you played and paid for 3 years. But now its not good enough?

WAR is a WoW clone, RvR is a joke - WAR has no endgame and the PVE in WAR sucks. After level 21 I was ready to slice my wrists; scenario grinds, meaningless RvR, PQ grinds, I was using the same damn 2-4 skills every fight.

Yes, you're cool - you can hang at the cool kids table now at lunch, because you can mock something you did for 3+ years, but now its beneath you, lol. Fuggin MMO nubs.

Posted: Oct 14th 2008 4:12PM Nadril said

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Wow, level 21? You certainly have enough knowledge of the games end game and must have pristine experience in keep sieges, fortress sieges, dungeons (gunbad, bastion, lost vale) and general PvP.


WAR has very little in common with WoW. Come back when you actually got further than 21.
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Posted: Oct 14th 2008 4:15PM Triskelion said

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Hey Nadril - I remember you, you were the AoC fanboy, how did that work out for you? Endgame is RvR, everyone knows that - pick up an article and read it, you may learn more about your game of the week.
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Posted: Oct 14th 2008 4:30PM Abriael said

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LOL. You started spwering out nonsense at "war is a wow clone" and then went down that way.

PvE in war is pretty great, even just because WAR's quests have great storylines behind them, while wow's quests seem to be written to appeal 5 years old kids. But of course one needs to be able to read to appreciate :D
The "no endgame" is funny as hell. I understand that a wownoob has some problems identifying as "endgame" anything else than silly, repeatitive raids in which they mindlessly farms some MOBS that will always behave the same way, but I have to burst your weak bubble. Even not counting the endgame dungeons, warhammer has the whole T4 RvR as endgame, which alone has more scope and depth that ALL your little repeatitive raids.
But we go on laughing with the "meaningless RvR", which is most laughable as said by a WoW fanboy, that drools on the game with the most meaningless PvP ever created. Sorry mate, but Warhammer has an entire RvR campaign influenced by player action, something that wow fanboys like you can only dream, and that's more meaningful than anything blizzard even managed to think ab out.

But let's conclude with the 2-4 skills every fight. I'm sorry to have to finish you off this way, but you know, if wow got you used to mono-keystroke classes and you can't even understand the usage of your character's less obvious skills, it's not Warhammer's fault. It's just that you lack skill.

The funny thing is that you fume and foam at the mouth calling others "MMO nubs", while the true nubs are the ones like you, that still drool on wow just because it's been their first mmo, and they have no idea of what else (and better) the market has to offer.

Have fun with your mobs, and be careful, they might spank you :D
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Posted: Oct 14th 2008 4:44PM Triskelion said

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Hey Abe - what was your rank in WoW pvp? Did you play on a PVP server? How many kills did you have? I didn't read all of your post, because I'm sure it was just more of the same "WoW is for kiddies, I'm a big boy because I play WAR now". What is your char name in WAR? Lets see how the PVP god is stacking up.

I had over 12 keyboard shortcuts setup, along with a several mouse buttons setup on my 5-button mouse and I used them all. With my Witch Hunter in WAR it was the same shit every fight; melee - melee - melee - melee - melee - use accusations - melee - melee......zzzzzz.

RvR is endgame, you get 5% bonuses? WTF is that? its meaningless, and the benefits in WAR PVP aren't realistic at all; losing and retaking the same Keeps over and over is fun for you? Altdorf was breached and no one even bothered with it, nobody cared - because it meant nothing. Keep kidding yourself that PVP in WAR has some lasting and beneficial aspect to it.

Mobs in WoW are least scripted, fuggin WAR PVE is on par with PVE from the original EverQuest; a bunch of mannequins standing around waiting to be killed. And half the time they run around in circles three times before they come after you.

Have fun with your meaningless RVR, because that's all you're going to be doing for the next three years, but I doubt that you'll make it three years because after 3 months you'll be sticking a gun barrel in your mouth in an effort to end the boredom that this "one trick pony" MMO has given you.
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Posted: Oct 21st 2008 5:38PM (Unverified) said

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Dude you didn't even make it to tier 3 hahaha.
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Posted: Oct 21st 2008 5:38PM (Unverified) said

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Dude you didn't even make it to tier 3 hahaha.
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Posted: Oct 14th 2008 4:11PM Lethality said

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Well, fun is a subjective thing. The author here found it fun, but fact is many people will not find the repetitveness very fun at all. The endgame is shaping up to rely on population that isn't there. Then when there is endgame, it seems like it requires you to be present for 8 hours in a sitting, in the wee hours of the morning, in order to participate.

WAR is a niche game at best.

Posted: Oct 14th 2008 4:19PM Triskelion said

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I agree, the RvR that I did was boring as hell, you had bugged NPCs clipping into walls and rubber banding up and down the stairs. The lag was horrible, I can only imagine how bad it can get.

The problem with having a heavily focused PVP game is people will get bored, I did. The same can be said for a PVE focused game. But I find that WoW has both. I can do BGs, and with the new PVP zone in WotLK I can run around flagged, then I can do crafting or PVE stuff, raids or dungeons. What does WAR have? RvR and PQs? I got bored with that in 3 weeks.

The one thing that WAR didn't copy from WoW was the UI responsiveness; the UI in WAR is muddy and slow.
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Posted: Oct 14th 2008 4:40PM Abriael said

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Horrible lag? oooh sorry if your 5 years old computer that runs only WoW can't take a game released today.

WoW has both PvE and PvP? It takes some guts to call "PvP" WoW's completely meaningless and extremely repeatitive arenas and battlegrounds. Sorry, but you fail so hard in your fanboyish mouth-foaming that they're hearing the "thump" all the way from China.

Funny that you call boring a game that is based on everchanging situations determined by the ability and tactics of the opposition, while you drool on a little game that's solely based on the repeatitive and always the same farming of mobs led by artificial stupidity.

RVR and PQ'S?
It has Open Skirmish, Keep Captures, quests, public quests, dungeons of varying size and scope (some much bigger than what WoW has), scenarios, and look, you can run around flagged in Warhammer as well, but you know, you can do it everywhere, not just in a single area whose scope is minimal and that's just a lame attempt to copy what wow will never have.
All that, unfortunately for your sinking argument, is much more varied and has much more complexity of what wow will ever have, and can only grow, while Blizzard has already demonstrated that they won't ever do anything else than offering more of the same.

Face it, you're a fanboy, and it's funny how you do nothing else than trolling threads about warhammer. It's fun to see how people fining a game more fun than your little game can cause this kind of utter, blind panic, in you and your fellow fanboys.
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Posted: Oct 14th 2008 4:50PM Abriael said

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@Lethality:
Looks like the sale results (and the subscription data that will follow will sure confirm that) don't exactly agree with you on the "niche game" part.

EVERY MMO out there relies on population, no more and no less than Warhammer. Unless you want to solo all the way, and in that case Warhammer is completely solo friendly anyway.
Finally, it doesn't require anyone to be up at "wee hours" for X hours. The fact that some started raids at "wee hours" doesn't mean that others won't do them at normal hours. I take part in RvR endgame every evening, and guess what, I'm not normally up at wee hours and i don't have 8 hours in a row to play. So you probably didn't even get there to see what I'm talking about. Though luck for you.

The only thing that forces people to be around for a tons of hours in a row is, guess what, the usual mindless wow raiding.
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Posted: Oct 14th 2008 4:56PM Lethality said

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Abriael - you need to chill out. We were accounting for actual game experiences we had, but you came out swinging like we spit on your mom.

What I posted was fact, there are flaws in the game design (forget performance) that rely too heavily on a) population b) distribution of players) and c) organizational requirements.

IT. WILL. NOT. WORK.


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Posted: Oct 14th 2008 5:15PM Abriael said

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LOL @ "IT. WILL. NOT. WORK."

Says who? Sorry to spoil it for you, but looks like it's working very well for many, many people, and the situation will only get better as Mythic refines the concept, introduces new capitals and classes (and it's pretty easy to guess on when the announcements on this will come).
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Posted: Oct 14th 2008 4:29PM (Unverified) said

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Turpster, I like your show but there are a few things I'd like to see from you. Firstly, I'd like if you could keep to a more regular schedule. There are 100's of MMO's you could be reviewing, many of them free, so I don't see why you can't review things every week like it says in the text preceding your videos. Secondly, could you please review World of Warcraft. You've talked about it a lot on the show and said that it's good, but never actually reviewed it. I've looked at it, but I'm still not sure about whether to play it or not. Thanks for reading this.

Posted: Oct 14th 2008 4:50PM Triskelion said

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I have a Duo Core 3.0, 8 gigs of ram and running Vista 64-bit. RVR sucked, even Mythic knows this - and they're trying to fix it, say what you want about WoW but I was able to do 40v40 BGs, huge city raids with zero performance hit, cartoony and outdated graphics? Yep. Smooth as a glass - hell yeah.

I'm not some blind fanboy, what pisses me off is that all of you guys that piss on WoW played it to death for several years. So, it was good enough to play it for as long as you did, yet you consider yourself above everyone else now that still plays it because you left it to play some perceived "hardcore PVP MMO" that quite frankly is a huge disappointment to many people. But you've already boarded the boat, you're heading down the super fanboy river and you need to take people with you.

Posted: Oct 14th 2008 5:10PM Abriael said

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For having a duAL core you don't even know how it's spelt :D You can't blame the game if you didn't run an antivirus in years because it will run your little wow's outdated and unsightly graphics that show 3 polygons at a time on screen anyway. On my duAL core with just 2 gigs of ram it runs quite smooth even during fortress sieges with serveral hundreds of people around. Something quite bigger and more epic than what wow fanboys will ever be able to dream about.

Unfortunately for your silly argument, I didn't play wow to death, I played it some just to stay with friends, and found it boring, meaningless, written purposedly to involve pre-teens in the MMO scene (ruining several communities in the process), and an overall rape of the Warcraft's backstory, which wasn't that good to begin with.
Many, many people, were bored to death by wow, and were just waiting for something better to come out and put the lich king in early retirement. Guess what, for many of those those people this better product is Warhammer.

Warhammer is by no means an "hardcore" game. It doesn't need to be. It's a fun game, and everchanging, because playing against other people in a complex campaign system will never bring the same situation.

This not to mention the fact that many people had fun on wow, but now are absolutely bored by it, because blizzard is absolutely firm in not offering anything new or spicy to their playerbase. They failed in that with BC and are going the same route with WOTLK.
They know they don't need to make that much of an effort to keep their population of foaming fanboys (and the many that stay just because of guild and friends or because they don't want to loose their "investment" in time and farming), and do absolutely no effort to revive things a bit. Every patch, every expansion, is nothing else than more of the same with some underdeveloped placebos like lake wintergrasp, which is honestly laughable.
And having soup every night for years make people crave for some spaghetti even if they used to like soup.

Unfortunately the one on the super fanboy river is not me, but you. And you seem quite dedicated in trying to bring some others with you, given how you troll every single post dedicated to warhammer.
You seem to have the same attitude that every wow fanboy has, you panic like your life was in danger every time another game seems to be successful. Though luck with this one, you might want to take some pills to calm you down.
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Posted: Oct 14th 2008 5:12PM Triskelion said

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Posted: Oct 14th 2008 5:17PM Abriael said

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It's either Core Duo or Dual Core, not Duo Core. Interesting to see the thypical knee-jerk reaction of the wow fanboy though, they run out of arguments and start to insult :D
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