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Posted: Oct 3rd 2008 4:12PM Softserve said

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I think the key thing missing from his argument is the frequency of these people purchasing the gold. I'm sure a lot of people have tried it, but how was their experience getting it? Would they do it again?

I don't think it's as clear cut as matter-of-factly stating that this would alienate 22% of their consumers. Particularly when we don't know the main age group even playing WAR at this stage (or at least I've not seen any stats on it).

Posted: Oct 3rd 2008 4:18PM (Unverified) said

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Sounds like someone buys gold. :P

Posted: Oct 3rd 2008 4:29PM (Unverified) said

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Laying it the problem as the feet of "Kids + mortgage + job = less time to play" is disengenuous. It was easy to make more gold in WoW than you need. It is easy to make mroe gold in Warhammer than you need. The problem comes when people decide that they want to play on a certain level and that kind of commitment simply cannot be met with their schedule. Buying gold and botting are ways to *think* that you can keep up with people who play all day and raid all night...but you can't. The solution is not to try to play an MMO above the level that you can reasonably commit to.

Hey, we've all been there. We've all wanted to play WoW, Counter-Strike, Starcraft, or whatever your game is at the next level. You get to thinking that a lot more time, a little more practice, or a little more gold and that dude what wtfpwned you won't be the one doing the pwning. You're just never going to win that battle because there will always be someone else who is even more skilled or better geared and if YOU are that person who has sacrificed everything to get to that point then you find that it's simply not sustainable.

Good selling is a lie. Botting is a lie. Fitting in a few Counter-Strike matches before you head to work is a lie. Just play to have fun.

Posted: Oct 3rd 2008 4:30PM (Unverified) said

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I've done some low-key indie MMO development myself, not quite big leagues, but I still must say I side with Mark on this one... If they don't like it, let 'em go somewhere else.

Posted: Oct 3rd 2008 4:31PM (Unverified) said

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Honestly there's 0 point in buying gold for warhammer. The gold sinks are far smaller than the ability to make gold. The largest gold sink of them all being a mount at rank 20, if you do a paltry smattering of quests and loot just coins and greens (or better), you'll easily have the 20 gold to pay for it.

Posted: Oct 3rd 2008 5:14PM Arashikou said

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This.

Do people just assume "it's a fantasy MMO, so I must need to buy gold" or something? I am baffled as to why there is a market for goldsellers in the first place. I've stopped even looking at my money readout - I haven't run out of money since I was level 2 and couldn't find a vendor to sell trash to.

Then again, maybe the goldsellers are only flocking to WAR because THEY assume there's a market there. If that's the case, the lack of anyone needing their services may be a greater deterrent than mass bannings ever could.
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Posted: Oct 3rd 2008 4:43PM (Unverified) said

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...yeah, it's a great idea. Let's let that 25% buy gold and be happy, and alienate the other 75% of the players. Brilliant.

Posted: Oct 3rd 2008 4:50PM LaughingTarget said

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Conversely, if 3/4 of the population is sick of getting slammed and quits, they'll be much worse off. Someone quits either way, might as well let it be the minority.

Posted: Oct 3rd 2008 5:26PM Nadril said

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I don't think the person has ever played WAR before. There is zero, ZERO, reason to buy gold in this game. At level 32 I have 150g without any tradeskills, and my Chosen friend at 37 has 250g.


Gold farmers are walking into a buisness in WAR that will not be profitable. The only thing that will really profit is power leveling characters, in all honesty. Which in the long run doesn't hurt the game *as* much because those who buy the characters more than likely will just suck.

Posted: Oct 3rd 2008 5:26PM (Unverified) said

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Doesn't anyone else find it ironic that the guy quoted in support of selling gold has a name of "AU"?!

Posted: Oct 3rd 2008 6:17PM (Unverified) said

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Gold farming companies deserve 0 respect, and the fact that massively even posted a response from them shows a serious lack of forethought. You do not want your site to become a sounding board for them, because those like me that have suffered at the merciless hands of there spammers for years will soon lump you in with them. If they didn't constantly annoy me with tells and say spam in cities I probably wouldnt care, but im sick of having to retype the name of the person I was chatting with constantly because Lrfdaba wanted to tell me of his great powerleveling service.

Posted: Oct 3rd 2008 6:33PM suicideking89 said

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I'll tell you what's "disingenuous". Disingenuous is when kids (or adults) who are constantly stealing porn and music off Bittorrent suddenly develop a conscious about how wrong it is to buy gold, when in actuality what they dislike is that THEY are negatively impacted by the selling of the gold by way of inflated prices at the AH.

Much like the music artists and coke-addicted young girls are ripped off by these same kids and adults the other 20 hours of the day.

Sounds like Karma to me.

Posted: Oct 4th 2008 5:25AM (Unverified) said

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No, that's not Karma. That's stereotyping.
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Posted: Oct 3rd 2008 6:36PM (Unverified) said

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Of course he feels that way about gold selling. His name is AU for crying out loud.

Posted: Oct 3rd 2008 6:46PM (Unverified) said

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Hmm.. let's see... Do we want to alienate a group of people who cheats, shortcuts the experience, makes life miserable for other players by supporting gold farmers or in some other way is so 'me centered' in a multiplayer online game that they're willing to do whatever they like, no matter what the cost to other players?


DANG STRAIGHT WE DO! In fact, bring them by my house, and I'll be glad to personally kick em in the jibblies.

I have some small sympathy for those who want to play the game but don't have the time they'd like to put into it, but making everyone else miserable because you want more than you're willing to put the effort into getting isn't the answer. Play when you can, and be happy with what you have instead of supporting gold sellers who are breaking the rules and making everyone else's game experience annoying.

Posted: Oct 3rd 2008 8:49PM (Unverified) said

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As previously stated I think this argument when applied to WAR is null and void due to the fact that getting gold in this game is easy. I play for maybe an hour or two a night and on my 13 Warrior Priest and 15 Magus I have enough gold for my respective mounts at 20. mounts cost 15G.

Also in an hour or two a night you can easily gain a level or renown rank or whatever. even if you play an hour you can feel like you've accomplished something in that time frame.

I'm happy with their stance on gold selling and I will admit that I have used a gold selling service in the past for EVE online but in this game it's not needed.

Posted: Oct 3rd 2008 9:01PM Purkit said

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I work long hours and don't have as much time to play as those with 9 to 5 jobs, yet I don't feel the need to cheat while playing WAR or any other game.

There is no argument that will change my mind about Gold sellers and those that buy gold off them. They are cheaters, with a somewhat wayward moral compass and I'd be very happy to never play a game with them again. Gold farmers are a symptom of the slack, lazy mentality that has evolved in MMO culture over the last few years.

I support WAR/Mythic's policies completely when it comes to Gold farmers. I hope they also punish the people that buy gold as well.

Posted: Oct 3rd 2008 9:13PM Abriael said

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Just another totally silly argument by Wagmer James Au, that should most definately go back writing on Second Life, since he knows nothing about real MMORPGs.

Posted: Oct 3rd 2008 9:35PM (Unverified) said

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I have no intention of buying gold but I just found the whole thing off putting.

Posted: Oct 4th 2008 1:41AM Arashikou said

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Hi, I'm a PC.

No, wait - I mean I'm a gamer "aged 35 and older, who doesn't have the same time to play as those younger gamers."

And I do not feel alienated from WAR.

Because the game has that rare quality known as "pacing" that allows me to feel like I am making progress and buying ever cooler and more expensive stuff, (and lusting after even MORE cool and expensive stuff that I'm not high enough to use yet) yet never actually find myself unable to afford what I need or as poor as the bum NPCs lining the streets. I'd like to posit that this has at least something to do with WAR having an endgame that is not predicated on money and time sinks to the same degree as many other games, since as far as I can tell (without having played endgame, mind you) it centers around RvR, which is constantly different from just being against different opponents.

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