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Posted: Oct 1st 2008 8:39AM (Unverified) said

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I thing Snafzg has most of the big points... I'd probably address them a bit differently.

1) Server sync/pathing/whatever is causing mobs or players in RvR to not appear where they really are. I'm not sure what is really the cause of this behavior, but it is absolutely unacceptable that we can't really tell where things are. It's far to often a guessing game with melee characters of 'am I really in range or not'? You're attacking something or appear to be and suddenly the 'target is not in range' message starts appearing, even though it appears to be right in front of you. Then it suddenly teleports or speed-runs a dozen feet away to it's actual location. Or you get messages that 'target is not attackable'. Normally I have to shift around slightly until the mob moves itself into a correct position where I can attack it.

2) Probably linked to #1, but mobs and players still moving after being rooted. My magus uses the AOE root and backs off of melee, only to have the targets visually displaying the root effect, but still sticking to her like they're attached at the hip. Sometimes it's a graphic only bug, since they stop attacking. Sometimes they look rooted, but really aren't because they're still hitting me in combat. This kind of placement guessing game is really unacceptable.

3) Get. A. Better. Mail. System. With crafting often requiring things from several gathering skills, it's common to have to send things to other characters, whether they are friends or your own alts. And bagspace, especially at low levels, fills up fast with the various different bits and bobs you gather. (Do we really need a half dozen different types of watering cans dropping from mobs the same level? Really?) Running to the captial city is not really an option several times a session, so using your bank to store or the guild bank to transfer things is a 'once or twice' a session thing at best. So that leaves us the mail system. The painful 20 second wait per single item transfered mail system. The mail system that quickly bogs down so it takes at least that long to pull each single item out of said mail when it's received. We need an update, fast.

4) Multi-queing for different scenarios is great, and was just implemented. Thanks a ton for that Mythic.

5) The missing classes added back in. Sure this is a long term thing and all, but I really want the Dark Elf tank. I've got a lonely spot on my destruction server all waiting for him.

Posted: Oct 1st 2008 8:47AM Alarie said

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Gold sellers. Reporting is a pain the ass and the spam on some nights is one right after another. I can't read the chat window with fellow group mates sometimes.

I ignore several and they still bypass ignore feature. I enter name again, "You are already ignoring this player".

Find an innovative way to fix this without hurting the subscribers. Don't be afraid to model after other MMOs. Turbine I could right click the persons name, small window pops up with report gold selling option and it automatically sends report AND adds the person to ignore. Maybe 2 seconds. Right now I have to open help find the area, click, type, submit.

My god fix your gold selling problem!!!

Posted: Oct 1st 2008 12:39PM (Unverified) said

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Download the SpamMeNot addon from Curse. Download the Curse Client and it can automatically create all the addon folders, etc for you with one click. SpamMeNot works great. I never see goldseller ads anymore.
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Posted: Oct 1st 2008 12:42PM Alarie said

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Yes I got that but I must not be using it right or something. Do you have to have that curse client running in order for it to work on spammers?

Then in game do I have to do some /slash command to turn it on? I'm lost on it.
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Posted: Oct 1st 2008 8:59AM (Unverified) said

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That picture you put-up is f'n hilarious!

Seems they do listen to the players. Few changes in scenario queuing got me into three scenarios last night .. when day before I be lucky to get one. Also I was able to choose two different ones w/o traveling to the other areas. These is defiantly heading WAR in the right direction.

Posted: Oct 1st 2008 9:13AM (Unverified) said

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Covered them in my reply to Snag's post at his site.

Game is very good, but given some time to mature, this game is going to be great. It's already more fun than WoW in many ways, so I'm scared to see just how good it will be in a couple years.

I guess it will depend what comes up in the future with other games. Copernicus, World of Darkness, Warhammer 40K, and Blizzard's new MMO all should be interesting to keep an eye on, for myself at least. Most of those are years off though.

Posted: Oct 1st 2008 9:18AM (Unverified) said

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Mail system is frustrating as hell!

Posted: Oct 1st 2008 9:58AM (Unverified) said

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By the way, if you put the game in "windowed" mode but set the windowed resolution to your max settings, it will display as "full screen" with no windows border but allow quick alt-tabbing. i do it on my dual-screen setup all the time. That might be your solution to "better alt-tabbing"

Posted: Oct 1st 2008 10:13AM (Unverified) said

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the gold selling thing is annoying and i've found that sometimes ignoring them doesn't work as they still get through. tried the spam mod and that doesn't seem to work very well.

Also i've noticed a lag between hotkeys. also some minor issues with mobs. otherwise your standard mmo launch issues.

Posted: Oct 1st 2008 11:38AM Kyoji said

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Give us healers a toggle for healing flagged characters or not. Its REALLY annoying in a PQ when someone either happens to be in range of my passive heals, and I get flagged, or I'm trying to save someones life and I get flagged. I understand why that mechanic is in place, but I feel a toggle to ignore flagged players when healing would solve the problem quickly. I hate being flagged without my consent!

Posted: Oct 1st 2008 11:46AM (Unverified) said

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The "target is out of range" issue is tending to crop up allot still. Especially with ranged dwarves (npc). Nothing worse than beating a champion down to 15% solo then he bugs out so you cant hit him and he is still hitting you! If I hadn't died that way so often it wouldn't be so frustrating.
Since no one has mentioned em yet, their are a few really bad exploits in some of the scenario zones. Namely how close order can get to their spawn point guards in temple and the whole knockback thing in Tor. At no point in a "capture the item" scenario should you be able to hide within aggro range of your guards, making you invincible. Their is also concern about how close destruction starts to the bauble in Tor. It is only a couple seconds but that couple seconds is enough for a free destro win (unless a white lion decides to use yet another exploit). Anyways since these areas are so integral to the entire leveling up experience in WaR they should be addressed before somewhat new players become frustrated.

And ya, empire and dark elf tanks need to be put back in. Soon.

Posted: Oct 1st 2008 11:58AM Triskelion said

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Good question -

1 - Combat responsiveness and the UI need to be improved dramatically, I'm getting so sick of having to spam the same key over and over. Too many abilities are affected by the global CD. Out of range, out of cone of fire - there is so much combat spam being displayed half the time that unless my target and I sit there face to face slamming each other every 2 seconds we hardly hit each other. I'm very disappointed in the combat mechanics in WAR, I've sent so many feedback reports and I've been reporting the same issues over and over since closed beta. Then Mark Jacobs indicates that combat/UI responsiveness were one of the issues they receive the greatest feedback on and that they're addressing it asap. He also said that there would be new animations and new idle animations. None of which, from what I can tell, has been done.

2 - RvR is a lagfest, and again with combat being so slow and muddy, RvR is a slide show of missed hits, late firing abilities and mobs running in and out of range. I have a new brand new Duo Core machine, with 8 gigs of ram running Vista 64-bit, I would hate to try and RvR with a lesser system, the lag must be nauseating.

3. Minor bugs -- when I dismount from my mount my char is some times in combat mode, and he will assume the posture of a boxer; with both hands in front of his face, my sword goes thru my head and he bops back and forth. Then I can't get it to reset for quite some time. Target not attackable mobs in PQs.

PvP isn't skill based it's numbers based - sure there are some rock-paper-scissor mechanics to the PVP but ultimately the numbers win.

I have a lot of minor gripes but combat and UI responsiveness are the biggest. And if something isn't done I'll just re-up my WoW sub when WotLK comes out. WoW is a kiddy MMO, call it what you want but I never have to look at my hotbar when I play WoW, I have everything hot keyed and I know when I press a key it will fire. In WAR, a game based on RvR/PVP, I'm having to constantly babysit the UI. It sux, it totally sux.

Posted: Oct 1st 2008 12:02PM (Unverified) said

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I find the game to be completely boring personally. The gameplay is slow and monotonous. RVR seems to boil down to mashing one button while chasing people around. The PQs are cool but are highly repetitive, kill 100 of X, kill 20 of Y, kill big boss. Also the Dark Elf PQs have end bosses that need tanked... but Dark Elves don't have a tank class! Nobody seems to play healers as they can be rough to solo with. It needs a lot of work, but the game does have a lot of promise. I will be going back to WoW for now but I will be keeping my eye on the developments.

Posted: Oct 1st 2008 12:09PM (Unverified) said

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i have not seen anyone point this out.

Has anyone noticed in the scenarios, that the losing side can come out with more renown then the winners? i have seen this happen on a consistent basis, to the point that it makes winning pointless, and it is better to just farm renown in the scenarios.

what does winning bestow, if it is extra renown, then it is not enough to make up for just farming the renown.

this is just like what wow had going on in AV for a long time... i find it really really really annoying the warhammer devs seen to have ignored some stuff that wow does to just be different, i.e. the gold selling spam, wow has implemented that nice right click on name feature, that must have been really technically amazing or something since war can't figure that out...

Posted: Oct 1st 2008 12:50PM (Unverified) said

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If you want alt-tabbing, you run in windowed mode. Its not hard to figure out. I don't see why people have such a problem with understanding that. Works just fine for me.

Posted: Oct 1st 2008 12:52PM (Unverified) said

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Disable the "Need" button on the loot roll window if:
1) the item is not for your class
OR
2) the item is not for your race
If you can't equip it, you can't Need it.

What if it's for your alt? Well, then your alt needs it, not you. Press Greed and haggle to get it from whoever wins it. This is better than Needing for an alt and taking it from someone else who was actually PRESENT at the encounter you just finished.

Is it immune to abuse? Of course not. If a WP item drops that I already have, I could Need and outroll everyone else, even though I'm just being greedy. Others could do the same to me. It's still not fair, but locking down the Need button is way less prone to abuse by level 4 BWs who like to Need EVERYTHING at "Welcome to Troll Country."

Posted: Oct 1st 2008 2:35PM (Unverified) said

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1) Do away with WoW quests system once and for all and obviously find a brand new way to do quests
2) Make more content for PvP, like formations, NPC's strategic control (like... uhm Dawn of War, or Bungie's Myth), buildings to capture and control, factories and other production buildings to build aid units and to control the trade resources of the zone.
3) Make more content for the classes "call". A warrior priest should do what a warrior priest should do. Encourage faith, influence the feudal lord of the area, uncover heresy wherever it hides, lead inquisitors, take speeches, control a parrish given by ecclesiarchyl benefit, inspire love for Sigmar and debate with other theologists in religious councils, discuss faith and reformation of doctrines, write new versions of the gospel, revolutionize religion by being the warhammer version of Martin Luther
4) Make every quest completable in a way that relies on the class "talents" (fallout?), make it ethical(Jade Empire/Mass Effect?), give me a "karma" evaluation based on interaction completeness (many adventure games of nineties like, say, King's Quest), a "hidden solution of wit", as it were (don't kill the poor spiders that hold the medicinal essence, the liquid's findable in a hidden bush cause the spiders drop it naturally [a notion learned from the tome].... or buy it off a wandering doctor). Finding this quest solution would result in more XP and karma (fame? Reputation? Alignment?)

Posted: Oct 1st 2008 3:31PM (Unverified) said

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So you want a completely different game, then?
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Posted: Oct 1st 2008 5:57PM (Unverified) said

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I don't think Gylfi wants to play a Warhammer MMO, but something more akin to Neverwinter Nights, or Baldurs Gate.
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Posted: Oct 1st 2008 10:04PM (Unverified) said

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Is it so unwar to want to meddle with heresy and religious zeal? And to demand choices in today's mmos?

All i ask for is depth, in PvP and questing.

Yet, I hear tome quests contain SOME interactivty, in that they don't plainly tell you what to do, you have to figure out how to complete the quest steps by yourself. But im afraid it's a great minority compared to the mass of ordinary go and fetch missions.

So far, then, I'm afraid WAR is mostly addressed to a youthful part of the players community.
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