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Posted: Sep 18th 2008 8:40AM (Unverified) said

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Hurrah!

Fuck yeah - so many people are flipping out (happy) about the change.

Posted: Sep 17th 2008 5:55PM (Unverified) said

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Long rebuttal inc:

What you are forgetting is that this "meat grinder" of rampant level 70s coming to camp lowbies on PvP servers are for the most part a thing of the past.

I have leveled 6 characters to 70 on my PvP server, 5 of them since the release of Burning Crusade. I can count the number of times each of them has been ganked by anyone with an "unfairly" high level on one hand (I say unfairly in quotes because it's a PvP server and PvP happens, nothing is truly unfair). They never camped me, and just kept on moving after. In fact, if I run into a horde there is even a 50-50 chance of them helping me. I can further put the number of world PvP encounters with players of similar level to mine as no more than 5 in the entire time leveling. A death takes maybe 1-4 minutes to recover from depending on graveyard location so...less than an hour lost to PvP deaths over the course of leveling.

The simple fact is, world PvP (at least on my server) is pretty much dead. No one runs around ganking lowbies because after a few years it just gets boring. Which brings us to the true reason for allowing these transfers and one I wholeheartedly support.

Raiding.

Before these transfers were implemented the raiding community was basically divided into 2 halves. People in PvE servers could not transfer to PvP servers, and people on PvP servers were for the most part unwilling to transfer to PvE for the perfectly valid fear of being stuck there if things didn't work out. Now that anyone can transfer anywhere, recruitment is much easier and holes left by quitting raiders are easier to fill.

As a Sunwell raider this change has my full support.

TL:DR
World PvP is dead, ganking is a non-issue. Leveling on a PvP server is barely different from leveling on PvE. This change helps raiders and quite nicely.

Posted: Sep 18th 2008 1:52AM (Unverified) said

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Wow, I'm glad I quit playing WoW...

If world PVP is dead then I have nothing to go back for, maybe Warhammer has world pvp.
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Posted: Sep 18th 2008 12:07PM nomoredroids said

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*snort*

Try playing Horde; THEN see how your pvp experience goes. In fact, try leveling in Tarren Mill at all during peak hours. Maybe its just been the servers I've tried, but I doubt it.

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Posted: Sep 18th 2008 12:06PM lpetersson said

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Yup, you wrote what I was about to write...

And because PvP in WoW is a poorly thought out late addition, I've switched to WAR where PVP is alive and well.

I have two 70s on a PVP server, and I never saw any of this supposedly rampant ganking and corpsecamping while levelling...
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Posted: Sep 17th 2008 5:57PM (Unverified) said

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You can hardly compare purchasing T6 gear to paying to transfer from one server to another. It's not that big a deal at all. Oh no, you didn't get ganked as you were leveling :O they can still get ganked if they come over to a pvp server. It's really not that much of an achievement to level to 70 on a pvp server in comparison to a normal server anyway. At the end of the day you've reached 70.

Posted: Sep 18th 2008 8:46AM (Unverified) said

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...says the carebear hiding with his alliance bros.

2 steps to experience ganking:
1 - Roll horde.
2 - Go to STV or TM.

Won't hear QQ about being ganked from me, cause I always write down names and remember that shit. Pay back is a bitch.

Silly carebear, dicks are for chics!
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Posted: Sep 17th 2008 6:13PM (Unverified) said

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Seriously, it's not that big a deal. I recently leveled 2 toons to 70 on Destromath. I was ganked, maybe 8 times until I hit Outland at 58. Azeroth is dead, and so easy to level in now that this change means next to nothing -- except that I can rescue my 70 druid that I transferred to a PvE server to play with a buddy who then quit (not that I even play WoW anymore...)

Posted: Sep 17th 2008 6:59PM (Unverified) said

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Look, I leveld on a PVP server (Bloodscalp) back when it was the dark seedy ganking underbelly of the wow universe. You can say you weren't ganked sure, now it's not a big deal, sure... NOW... Now you get killed and camped, most players just switch over to their main, and come roll the roller, teach him what's for, and the errors of his ways.

Yet back in the day that wasn't the case, and I highly suspect, the freedom to kill everyone will cause those carebears who server hop to flip out like good ninjas and color the sands of the PVP servers red once again with the blood of the innocent.

I remember a notorious orc who camped the ship between darkshore and menthil... I can't tell you how many times poor night elves were slain by that pirate on that trek across the sea.

I disagree with what this change does to the community, it allows people to come into the PVP world without ever having felt that fear of being powerless. Joe Schmoe goes off and get's full T6 on his PVE server then switches to PVP and ganks left and right because he was never on the other end of that gank stick. The griefers were always kept in check by the other griefers, and now that is not the case.

My solution: Create new PVP realms, that are open transfer... that way players know what they are getting into from the beginning, keep the old PVP servers seperate.

Posted: Sep 17th 2008 7:13PM (Unverified) said

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I have 5 70s on a pvp server. One on a pve server. It's not like this "griefing" happens nonstop. In fact in my experience -- which is more extensive than most when it comes to leveling characters -- the griefing is pretty rare. I can't specifically recall any situations that made me think, "those pve carebears have it easy!" In fact there is such a lack of world pvp on pvp servers, I welcome an influx of players who might be looking for such an experience. Maybe they can help bring it back.

I don't understand why some of you have a problem with this change. I mean if we pvpers are so superior it really shouldn't matter if carebears are around anyway.

Posted: Sep 17th 2008 11:29PM (Unverified) said

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Spock: "Were I to invoke logic, however, logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

Kirk: "Or the one."

Posted: Sep 18th 2008 3:24AM smg77 said

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This is one of the dumbest articles I've ever read on massively.com. I have leveled characters on both PvE and PvP servers and there was no difference. Actually I might have leveled faster on the PvP server because I usually quested with a group of people and getting quests done goes much faster when you're grouped up.

Stop whining...this whole thing is a nonissue.

Posted: Sep 18th 2008 12:07PM (Unverified) said

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lvl 70s ganking lowbies? darkshore? menethil harbor??? really???
who is going to really wander around those areas with all the buffs to the lvl 1-60 XP?
ganking may not be a non-issue, but leveling an alt sure will be.

Posted: Sep 18th 2008 12:06PM (Unverified) said

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@Censorman

I do play Horde, dumbass. And on a pvp server

lol

Posted: Sep 18th 2008 8:33PM (Unverified) said

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I see your point, but an expansion basically is a reset anyways. I didn't get anything for any of my useless tier sets after TBC hit.

In the end this really is in your best interest, to make some of the upcoming PvP work some of the realm imbalances need to be ironned out.

Though if it were up to me, sure, you'd have your title :o)

Posted: Sep 20th 2008 1:33PM (Unverified) said

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Excellent, you made the Candyland reference. :)

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