I was a hardcore WoW fanboy for 4 years, most of those 4 years I was paying for up to 5 subs for me, my family and my sons friend (whose parents claimed the $15 was too high, and my son wanted to play with him). Anyway..........I'm not even going to pre-order WotLK, and I've purchased every Blizzard game ever made, I've bought all of the CEs for WoW, I attended 2 Blizzcons too.

Bottom line - WoW is played, we played the WotLK beta and its just more of the same shit. Grind, grind.............grind - grind for better gear to get better gear to raid so you can grind to get better gear, grind rep with some new faction to get items so you can grind some dungeon.............to get better gear so you can grind Arena to get better gear.

WAR doesn't break any new ground, the RvR stuff is fairly unique but the PVE in WAR reminds me of PVE combat in EverQuest 1999. But, the game FEELS fresh, and I haven't been able to say that about WoW in 2+ years.