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Posted: Sep 11th 2008 11:19AM (Unverified) said

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It's amazing that the DMCA ever even became law. Shows just how stupid the government is and how little rights people now have. DMCA abuse is rampant, and until those who file such requests are held accountable for false claims, or the DMCA is done away with, such abuse will continue.

Linden Labs can be held accountable, as ToS's do not hold up very well in court, and it is the responsibility of Linden Labs to verify that the content claimed in the DMCA takedown is actually owned the other other person. This is why companies like Google are fighting against the DMCA, because of so many false claims.

Linden Labs just shows what pieces of trash they really are and why no one should do business with them.

Posted: Sep 11th 2008 1:08PM (Unverified) said

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You are wrong. The DMCA does NOT require the service provider to do ANY verification of the validity of the notice. Further, they are protected by the DMCA from suit against the takedown as long as they restore the items after receipt of counter notice and subsequently not receiving further notice of legal action.

I agree that LL not turning over the original notice is WRONG, and there is NOTHING in the law that says they cannot do so. If anything, that's where their liability falls, and in not returning the goods in their original state.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2008 11:28AM (Unverified) said

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This is fairly standard (if somewhat insane) practice for dealing with DCMA notifications. Because LL _can_ take material down, they are under legal obligation to do so.

It's an expensive and annoying process for LL, in fact any internet firm which gets hit by it.

There is merit in the DCMA system making it easier for folk to file takedown notifications, as this decreases the burden for small players who have been ripped off. Unfortunately the system of penalties for filing false notifications is not mature enough to dissuade folk from doing it aggressively.

Hopefuly the RIAA will continue bashing it's head on the courts and paying the penalties of wasting the courts time with lame copyright violation cases long enough to establish precedents to protect smaller players from the damages sustained in this kind of take-down action.

Posted: Sep 11th 2008 11:57AM (Unverified) said

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That "two days" part sounds like something that LL have made up for themselves - I can't find reference to it in the counter-notice procedure.

I am not convinced, though, that returning the content in a mangled form actually counts as "restoring the material" [512(g)(2)(C)] - and LL _would_ be liable there, since 512(g)(2) is an _exemption_ to the lack of liability.

Of course, all that would mean is that one could sue LL for inventory loss; good luck there.

The full text of the DMCA can be found here, incidentally: http://static.chillingeffects.org/512.shtml

Posted: Sep 11th 2008 1:09PM (Unverified) said

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I agree -- the two day thing is NOT law, and Linden Labs would be in violation of the DMCA if they refused to honor your counter notice received after their artificial two day limit.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2008 2:11PM (Unverified) said

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Hmm. So liability-exemption isn't end-to-end? That's *very* interesting.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2008 3:55PM (Unverified) said

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Well, you're only exempt if you follow the procedure properly, including the "putting the stuff back up" part.

But one of the problems with the DMCA in this context is that LL's liability really isn't equal on both sides - or rather, they're equally liable if they fail to take content down as if they fail to put it back up, but the former is far more likely to result in damages against the company than the latter. Somebody could quite easily say "LL were facilitating the illegal distribution of my content by refusing to take it down even after requests" and they would have a hard time arguing against that, with a presupposition being that as they didn't follow the DMCA they didn't make an effort. It would also be a straightforward IP case where there is a lot of precedent.

But somebody whose content was crippled when LL messed up the permissions has to sue LL for inventory loss, where everything is a lot murkier and there are lots of ToS items involved which would complicate matters; as far as I'm aware nobody has actually done that successfully, though lots of people shout about it in forum threads.

Not that the average person or even small business is going to be able to do either anyway.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2008 3:23PM (Unverified) said

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I have to admit, it's rather disturbing that someone could disrupt one's entire business and force you to reveal your private details, anonymously and without any base in fact, by submitting a simple online form. But this is nothing new; the DMCA has been doing that in SL for years.

More disturbing is that Linden Lab removed so much content, and disrupted business beyond what was necessary, despite FBG disabling access to the purportedly-offending content and filing a counter-notice, as was the proper response. And the permissions and UUID mishap is just groan-inducingly stupid of LL.

Seems the lesson is: comply or not comply, either way your livelihood is at the mercy of complete strangers. That's the sort of thought that helps you sleep at night, ain't it?

Posted: Sep 11th 2008 4:02PM (Unverified) said

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What irritates me is that a lot of the restrictions are not necessary under the act anyway. For instance it is not necessary to pass on the counter-filer's details to the filer - and _absolutely_ the wrong thing to do I would say - without a subpoena, and it certainly isn't necessary for the counter-filer to respond within two days. In fact unless I am misreading the Act, if LL refused to take into account a counter-filing after two days they would be in breach, as it doesn't specify a time period.

And as I said, it could certainly be argued that replacing the deleted content with broken content is not really restoring it at all, which also puts them in breach.

The thing is that as I said above they are no doubt aware that the chances of them being stung on a charge of removing inventory are pretty small.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2008 4:35PM (Unverified) said

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I'm waiting for the EFF or the ACLU (or both) to file suits on behalf of (insert poor innocent victim here). The provisions of the DMCA allow an accusation to be made, and action (punitive/corrective) to be taken. There are 2 fundamental problems with this:
1) the punitive action is executed without judicial supervision
2) The accuser enjoys complete anonymity. Even in criminal cases of the most vile type (sexual assault) the accused knows the identity of the accuser.

Both of these problems are Constitutional violations. A good case taken all the way will have the DMCA diced, at least in the enforcement clauses.

Posted: Sep 11th 2008 11:34PM (Unverified) said

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That's the same EFF founded by Mitch Kapor, former chairman and current board-member of Linden Lab, right?
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Posted: Sep 16th 2008 10:00AM (Unverified) said

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Sadly, yes Tateru, the same. I shall have to place all my faith and hopes into the ACLU.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2008 8:01PM (Unverified) said

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Ok, Hypothetical situation... If I am wanting to stalk a woman, and I want to know who this female really is in real life, I simply file a DMCA "claim" on her products or an item she has in inventory (easy to get since we can inspect avatars for a list of attachments worn they made and own) and the lindens respond to me with her identity and she'll never know who I am (Avatar or Real Life)?

Does the person have to be the owner/creator of the copyrighted content, or simply be in possession of it?

Posted: Sep 13th 2008 8:30PM (Unverified) said

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we really need to have non-LL managed SL compatible grids ASAP :(

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