The Daily Grind: Is Wrath beta news drawing you back in?

Boze: A lot of WoW players are unhappy because the game that you start playing (levels 1-60, and now 1-70) is a game where you can log in, complete quests, join a PuG to hit a dungeon and then leave when you are ready.

WoW end game suddenly becomes a second job. You have to make your raid time usually twice a week. Oh, and don't have a real life, especially a family. Well, I suppose if you can convince your spouse and children to play too, or you can just neglect them. Didn't some toddler/infant get seriously injured as his parents played WoW and ignored him?

That is the simple reason I quit. I like WoW and would keep going, but I don't need another job in my life. I want my games to be fun, and that really means that they should conform to my schedule, not dictate it.

It is already well known that a minority of the player base ever sees the end-game raids. All those end game dungeons should be accessible by the average player. Not made harder, but the systems should be put in place that allow them to attempt them over and over until they become like UBRS was, something achievable by the average guy. First thing to do is trash timers and locks. That only serves to make runs more picky on who they bring.

Which is the second problem with WoW. When you hit 70 it is suddenly a popularity contest to get into the large guilds in order to progress.


I suppose badges is helping a bit. But it is still a messed up system. You see, I can give into the schedule and raid 2 times a week and in a few months I will find myself well geared and moving through dungeons. Yet, I can play twice as many hours, this time on my schedule, running heroics and in the end, I am very likely to only have half the quality/quantity of equipment than I would if I raided. Yet, I put in more hours? That's hardcore.

words out of my mouth. god bless ya.

The only thing disagreeable with your comment is grinding PVP to run Karazhan... PVP gear is not meant at all for quality raiding, and if that's how you're approaching raids, its no wonder you don't enjoy the game.

You run through multitudes of Heroic dungeons, pick up some good quality gear upgrades from there along with a few select pieces of bad gear, and then you run off to do Karazhan, Zul'Aman, Serpentshrine Cavern, Tempest Keep, Battle for Mount Hyjal, Black Temple, and Sunwell Plateau.

I feel like the reason a lot of WOW players are unhappy and believe there's something to do is because they either expect everything immediately, or they don't do the right things to progress and experience content.

You cannot play whatever retarded talent spec you want in Season 1 gear and expect to see anything above Prince, Gruul, and Magtheridon.

WAR missing a lot of its content? How so?

here here :)

NCSoft has never charged for a single expansion pack for Lineage II (7 or so of them and counting).

EVE Online never charges for a single expansion pack (4 of them atm?) as well.


WoW admittedly drew me in before. The MMO market was dry, Age of Conan was getting numerous delays and I figured I may as well play it. Well, the raiding got the best of me and I ended up just raiding a ton (as it was the only worth while end game content).

I played the game first in hopes that I could have fun PvPing at the max level. Turns out PvP in WoW is nothing more than a shitty item grind for casuals to get easy epics. Even the arena, what was supposed to be the pinnacle of competition, ended up becoming nothing more then an item grind.


Honestly I would go to WAR before I went back to WoW, and WAR isn't exactly making me hold my breath for it at the moment. World of Warcraft had its chance with me, but the raiding is just too much and made me forget what I play MMOs in the first place -- for PvP.