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Posted: Jul 20th 2008 8:22AM (Unverified) said

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I would do the same and kill off WoW, too. The reason is because it would allow for other MMOs to grow, more room for the genre to expand into something else instead of more copies and/or wanna be's. Just the same, if it died/got killed/whatever, then people would stop comparing newer MMO games from Day 1 to a 3-4 year polish job.

Posted: Jul 20th 2008 8:23AM (Unverified) said

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I would say Age of Conan and World of Warcraft! :)

Posted: Jul 20th 2008 8:36AM (Unverified) said

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I agree with the above statement, WoW has killed MMO's. Now where stuck with these EQ casual clones...

Posted: Jul 21st 2008 8:36AM (Unverified) said

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I hereby sentence the death penalty to the following titles:

1. EverQuest. Because it keeps all those decent MMO veterans from playing current games together with me.

2. EverQuest 2 - Rise of Kunark. After 3 expansions and 2.5 years, SOE decided to alter the play experience significantly and morph it into a crappy, cheap and ugly WoW clone. So I switched to the original from Blizzard. Maybe that was the intention of SOELOL?

3. Free Realms. After seeing some screenshots all I have to say is: seriously, WTF? Abort immediately and never look back... WTF?

Posted: Jul 20th 2008 9:17AM (Unverified) said

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I would kill of the masses of WoW clones. Copying another game is just lazyness on the part of devs.

Fun gameplay and quality work will always be rewarded. The qulaity of western MMO's since WoW has been inthe shitter to be blunt.
Thats not Blizzards fault. To want to get rid of them because they made a fun to play game that happens to be of fair high quality is just backwards thinking.
Bartle is a jealous, petty, knothead. What MMO's did he work on or create again?......

Posted: Jul 20th 2008 11:09AM (Unverified) said

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MMOs that lack significant vision and story (and have suffered for it) need to be cut off. SWG and EQ2 are two examples. Both have done a poor job of integrating story into their games in a way that makes the gamer feel like they are really engrossed in those story lines. Both have had game mechanics which were poorly conceived from the get go that then required a massive overhaul. These two issues combined leave these MMOs feeling like hollow shells, not engaging story-driven games, to me.

It is silly to target WOW simply because it is successful. WOW is successful because it has fun game mechanics and players "feel' their place in the story. They know the lore and their role. Similar games like LOTRO are not lazy at all, they have different game mechanics that work very well and do a great job of engaging players in the legend. Games like this deserve to live.

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Posted: Jul 20th 2008 11:08AM Wouldzey said

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I would cut WoW.

WoW is a great game, but with growing the market to were it is today, it has also changed what developers aim for and desire.

I wouldnt wipe WoW from existence, by any means but i would slap it with martyr status so it opens up the market to more riskier venture with more creativity.

Lets be clear, WoW didnt innovate, it did the basics right and cut out a lot of the old MMO ways and rules. We need more innovation in the MMO market because frankly, WoW has seriously damaged that.

Posted: Jul 20th 2008 11:21AM (Unverified) said

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I dont think innovation is the be all and end all. Like many things in Life doing the basics very well is all you need to win. WOW did that and they won.

To say its not creative is crap. all MMo's are creative as a entiore world and history has to becreated. WOW did this, and had the benefits of drawing upon warcraft 1,2,3 lore. Making its histroy very rich.
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Posted: Jul 20th 2008 11:09AM (Unverified) said

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death to EQ2 as i just cant stand sequels as they scream MORE MONEY PLEASE.

I would also kill AOC so it can be resurrected as a "finished" game that is rdy to be played and has its quests all the way through and working dungeon/raid/PVP/crafting/talents/and the list goes on.

Was tempted to declare death on runscape but ultimately it is a starting point for all children entering the MMO genre, and hence it must remain despite it being a irritance.

P.S i like rulez point about EQ. i recently went back to it ater wow and aoc and the player base is extremely different, in a good way. ...gotta love EQ

Posted: Jul 20th 2008 11:24AM Ayenn said

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I would have to say I would eliminate WoW as well. The reason being it is not really the quality game WoW-heads see it as. Most other MMORPGs with a subscribership of between 240k and 1m are actually better in all respects. The lack of overall depth of WoW is startling.

WoW is acting as a kind of blinder to all other MMORPGs. If you have been raised on McDonalds a stake would seem a strange food (you mean it is not ground up and fried? That’s just weird!)

I would also have to say I would suspend development of WAR. It is merely a rehash of DAoC. I would rather see it truly reflect the complexity and depth of its originating IP. EA is committing the act of WoWization of WAR. It’s almost like seeing a company develop a Wendy’s, Burger King, or Hardies to compete with (or rather steal) customers from the McDonalds that is WoW.


Lets not turn this into another Bartle bashing thread. The man is not actually subject to feelings of envy or jealousy of MMORPGs. He is an academic with almost 30 years of critical analysis and examination of MUDs and MMORPGs. His interests are not in production by his own hand but instead understanding how and why MMORPGs do what they do for people and how to improve the genera to, believe it or not, better the human condition.. And for the record, Bartle actually developed the longest operating multi user environment to date: MUD (or MUD1). It has been operating since 1980. it spawned many clones and reiterations as well as the genera of MMORPG.

Posted: Jul 20th 2008 11:38AM (Unverified) said

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the NGE must die...I don't hold anything against WoW...AoC also must die...As should all Asian grinders...and Every single SOE game, just cause I hate them.

Posted: Jul 20th 2008 11:58AM SgtBaker said

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I understand this article was very much posted with "tongue in cheek". However I think the question is very unfair towards those companies and devs who have spent countless hours (years) working on these games.

The reason to make any game is - money. Money is made when players play (and pay for) the game. When a game doesn't make enough money - it's not profitable anymore and it shuts down.

So with that in mind all the current games deserve to be running - there's absolutely no need (apart from petty and selfish reasons) to kill any of them.

As someone very smart said (I forget who, sorry!) Dr. Bartle would like to shut down WoW - because he'd like to build superfast monorail while rest of us are still staring at two wheels connected with axle and going "Whoa! That's really cool".

Innovation is really cool - but it doesn't pay bills, so I wouldn't kill off any games.

Posted: Jul 20th 2008 12:32PM (Unverified) said

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WoW- I think it's a disgrace to the WarCraft franchise. Plus, its developers have lost all industrial integrity. They're copying things off of other games now.

Example: the "acheivement" system they're talking about is a ripoff of Warhammer Online's much broader Tome of Knowledge.

When you start ripping off games smaller than you and try to re-sell their content, then you deserve to get wiped off the Internet.

Posted: Jul 20th 2008 12:44PM (Unverified) said

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You are pretty much uninformed. AA's have been around in an MMO since EQ1. If anything, WoW is a casual version of original EQ. Eq2 is just a casual sequel to eq1 and takes elements from wow.

I just find it funny how uninformed people are nowadays about MMOs and the history of.
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Posted: Jul 20th 2008 4:00PM (Unverified) said

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The new achievement system is actually more like achievements on Xbox Live. Some of them will reward you with various useless things like titles & pets, and it is certainly nothing at all comparable to EQ1's AA's or EQ2's achievements. Those are basically what Talents are in WoW except there is no separate progression.
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Posted: Jul 20th 2008 12:38PM (Unverified) said

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WoW leaving the scene would be good for all other games. Like others have said, it's popularity and subs, have tainted the industry for players and devs alike. Developers are now having to deal with players that expect all games to be as successful as WoW (at launch no less) and have all the content that WoW does (at launch no less). Then, on the flip side, they have publishers that want every game to attract "WoW numbers" (at launch no less) and b/c of it's success, the bar has been raised so high, that it limits the resources and ideas devs can impliment, b/c the industry as a whole consider WoW to be the guide, by which all other MMOs slightly change.

I feel bad for Funcom. They may have opened thir mouth a little to much, but it has been 3 months, and they're already being declared a "dead game". The reason being, any game that doesn't garnish the entire player base of WoW is "dead".

Posted: Jul 20th 2008 1:32PM Severius said

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Star Wars Galaxies should and must die. Nothing they do will ever revive the game to a respectable state under the current leadership at SOE. While giving vets the game for free for a couple months had shown a small spike in concurrent users that did not last long and numbers are dwindling again. Star Wars, as an IP, should be treated with a bit more respect.

Posted: Jul 20th 2008 1:53PM Kyoji said

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Everyone saying they'd kill WoW is seriously blind sighted. The fact MMORPGs are so popular today, and the fact we have so many are in a large part due to WoW. Why are you hating on a game because its popular? WoW is a fun game, it has a high amount of polish, style and character behind its design that really make it a cut above the rest. I'm not saying WoW is the end-all-be-all, nor can it be everything to everyone, but neither can any other game fill that role. Every game is driven by money, and I'm sure a lot of the devs that have worked on all these so called "WoW clones" would have preferred to do something a bit different. But they aren't in control, so they have to do what the publisher wants. Dont blame WoW, blame the fact that execs in some companies are too scared to take a risk, and just feel like raking in all the people that WoW didn't totally ensnare.

But to answer the question, none of them. I think competition is a good thing, and competition through diversity even better. Killing off the most popular MMO would be like firing your best employee, because all the other employees wanted to be like him.

Posted: Jul 20th 2008 7:26PM (Unverified) said

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You'd be Circuit City in fact...You make too much money! You're fired!
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Posted: Jul 20th 2008 3:29PM (Unverified) said

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Everyone is saying kill WoW but that is a really bad idea if you are into MMOs and their future. Yeah, WoW is hogging practically all of the subscriptions but it has effectively paved the way for new and better MMOs. If it weren't for WoW, the MMO market would still be a niche market and there wouldn't be near as many MMOs in development. Because of WoW, MMOs are mainstream.

As MMO lovers, saying that you want to kill WoW is like being a music lover and saying you wish the Beatles would break up. It's ultimately counter-intuitive.

If I had to pick an MMO to die it would be Exteel. I had high hopes for a mecha MMO but it turned out to be completely and utterly generic. They somehow managed to make mecha combat boring, it was a huge let down.

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