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Posted: Jul 16th 2008 12:17AM (Unverified) said

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Yeah the longer I've been in Second Life, the harder it is to like Lindel Lab's practices. Anyhoot, bitching about them won't change anything. Only thing that will spur change is to competition. Go Lively!

Posted: Jul 16th 2008 1:29AM (Unverified) said

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It's interesting that the Linden Prize is a prize rather than a grant.

The 20,000 dollar Australia council grant for instance exists so that people with a good pitch and an impeccable track record can bring to fruition interesting projects without worrying about the costs. As a grant the competition is to prove your work worthy enough to get funds to do more good work, (By the way i think 20k works out at a couple of bucks for every Australian in sl, so is no small cheese.)

The 10,0000$ linden prize however is to be given in retrospect it seems, to folk who have already invested heavily into SL and thus been paying the lindens for the privilege of doing their good works. By the time anyone's up for a prize I'd expect they would have contributed greatly to the LL coffers already, in their quest to "elevate the human condition". It 's nice to pay it all back and all but would have been nicer to pay it up front, and it's not quite as much as it sounds.

Personally I would have liked to see more lindies out of the coffers (seeing we're paying for them anyway) and distriibuted to the LL running costs of in world groups with a proven record of assisting folk and providing real world support. Disability support groups, educational initiatives, general support and orientation groups such as NCI. Groups that operate on a shoestring and bring real value and innovative positive uses to the SL platform. Groups which often operate on a shoestring budget, and struggle to pay their largest running cost, land and tier payments to LL themselves.

One big story a year, for an admittedly small grant (in the grand scheme of things) to a single project seems well enough, but not the best pr bang for buck. Funding positive uses of sl which are already happening however would produce a constant trickle of feelgood media coverage. So bravo for a step in the right direction with the prize, and three cheers for the winner... but grants not prizes is more what i was hoping for.

Posted: Jul 16th 2008 3:15AM (Unverified) said

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Nice analysis. Probably they'll announce something a few weeks before the deadlines for submissions or so? Or two days after. Somewhere on the JIRA, not even the blog? ;)

Posted: Jul 16th 2008 6:38AM (Unverified) said

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Not to mention that 10,000 USD in lindens is effectively paid for by everyone else. Lindens may be printed on a whim by LL but ..... you don't get somethin for nothing. Using the current economic statistics we are talking ~ 1/2000 of the total current in-world supply of lindens. Glut the market with that much that fast and you will see repercussions in the lindex stability. Lindens will be negatively impacted and the users will pay .... simple math.

Posted: Jul 16th 2008 8:17AM (Unverified) said

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And knowing the generally nepotistic nature of Linden-organized pet projects, dare I submit that they have a winner already? I can hardly wait.

Posted: Jul 16th 2008 10:34AM (Unverified) said

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It is a shame, though not surprising, to see such a move. This is the sort of thing cooked up by folks seemingly out of touch with their environment.

To me, I'd rather see a "prize" for those using the world to better the human condition, in places like The Sojourner's (RIP) Dreams region. Places where people are impacting real lives through the use of Second Life. That sort of thing. Maybe give them a year of their land, tier free or something.

But no, we give a "prize" to people the Space Navigator maker or something, because it pleases The Mitch. Shameful.

Posted: Jul 16th 2008 12:15PM (Unverified) said

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please forgive my intruding on matters that i don't really understand or have inside knowledge of (i live in a tiny LL world of graphics, after all) but:

it's common knowledge that LL regularly injects $L into the economy to keep the $L value in check. if we assume that the winner of the linden prize will in fact use his prize in some way, that too will enter the economy and take the place of the injection (by lowering pressure on the exchange) and will in fact, in the end, cost LL the full $10k.

Posted: Jul 16th 2008 12:16PM (Unverified) said

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Well it's a little more complicated than that.

Yes Linden Lab doesn't directly pay for it, but they do actually, temporarily at least.

Linden Lab sells about $500,000 USD worth of L$ per month, created out of thin air.

This $10,000 will reduce the amount they can create and sell directly on the market by about $10,000.

So it's one of those, "yeah sorta" kind of issues.

Posted: Jul 16th 2008 12:45PM (Unverified) said

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jinx :)
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Posted: Jul 16th 2008 1:35PM (Unverified) said

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Actually, even more complex still.

Given an increase of the availability of goods and services within the economy, corresponding amounts of ellz need to be created and injected into the economy in order to prevent destabilization.

Those L$ *have* to be created to keep the economy stable. It's less than a single week's stipend payments for the Lab. Yes, it's lost *potential* income, but that doesn't necessarily translate into an equal amount of lost *actual* income. There's many a slip twixt cup and lip. Potential income isn't guaranteed.

L$ change hands quite a number of times and every time they pass through the Lindex, the lab gets a percentage of that. As long as created currency is matched to the availability of goods and services (and Supply Linden does that in a very elegant way that isn't available to economists in the physical world), created currency continues to earn money for the Lab far beyond its face value.

Primarily what the Lab loses here is the ability to control the *timing* of the injection of the amount while trading a short-term gain for a long-term one. US$10,000 injected into the economy would be barely noticeable from the users' view of the economy, however, and with Supply Linden at the helm on the Lindex to balance things out, the currency created forms an ongoing gain for the Lab.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2008 2:04PM (Unverified) said

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"Those L$ *have* to be created to keep the economy stable. "

That's not true. Gold-backed economies worked just fine without some governmental body creating new money constantly.

I think maybe you meant they have to be created to prevent the L$ from becoming more valuable. Eventually the L$ would become difficult to use, if 1 L$ was too large a value for low priced goods.

But in those cases people would just sell bundles, so it's not that bad.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2008 2:12PM (Unverified) said

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"Primarily what the Lab loses here is the ability to control the *timing* of the injection"

well - when Supply Linden injects the $L, he charges for them. so LL gets $$.

when the prize is awarded, the winner is not charged for his prize (heh) so LL gets no $$.

the remaining percentages are small enough to be negligible (and are mostly equivalent in both cases.) so i stand with my original analysis: LL really is paying $10k real money for the prize.

unless, of course, SL crashes to a grinding halt before the prize can be cashed out. but that's not very likely.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2008 2:12PM (Unverified) said

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"Gold-backed economies worked just fine without some governmental body creating new money constantly."

This is so. However, ellz are a fiat currency.

The gold-standard for fiat currencies is the a percentage of the sum of available goods and services
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Posted: Jul 16th 2008 2:21PM (Unverified) said

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"ellz are a fiat currency."

i think you misunderstand Gigs - if LL didn't print $L, they would effectively be a scarce-resource-based currency.

the other downside, aside from the $1L problem, is that prices would need to be continually updated.
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