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Posted: May 26th 2008 9:35AM (Unverified) said

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I have said it once, I will say it again.

This has to be one of the worst blogs/podcasts I have ever come across. They certainly need to give up on all mmo's and head back to school or hit the books more. Beyond their obvious lack of proper education, boring commentary and poorly stated opinions makes up the bulk of what they have to offer.

Why would you reference to this site? Seriously, just to get the kickback traffic?

I don't care how many "visitors" they might get, this blog is light years beyond what is going on over there.

Posted: May 26th 2008 1:51PM GRT said

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I don't get it either. Massively was pimping these kids' podcasts, but didn't mention they were a couple of kids. I downloaded it and it was pretty funny, but not intentionally so.

I've never heard these guys mentioned anywhere but Massively, but Massively seems to love 'em. Seems pretty weird.

For a couple of high school kids they do ok I guess. But I just don't get why Massively picks them out of all the MMO blogs out there.
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Posted: May 27th 2008 2:08PM (Unverified) said

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Agreed 100%.

Anyone who respects keen and graev is obviously a teenage friendless loser~

They offer nothing, they're snobs when they have no reason to be, and they unequivocably believe they are the knowledge base that everyone should turn to.

News flash d-bags... other people have played just as many MMOs as you, and can offer immensely more valid opinions.
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Posted: May 26th 2008 9:52AM (Unverified) said

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Played the Beta, and even played the release version of Conan, and hated it. It is such a horrible "Consolized" attempt at an MMO. Bad animation, bad combat design, just plain bad.

Posted: May 26th 2008 10:37AM (Unverified) said

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I personally just don't spend 50 dollars on MMO's. I'm a big fan of real time combat, which is why I play DDO so often. I'm going to resub back into that in about 2 weeks when monks get released.

In 6 months if the game doesn't pull an AC2 (for the youngun's that means getting 2 million subscribers then dumping them all in 4 months), I'll try it

Posted: May 26th 2008 12:21PM (Unverified) said

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@Eone

Let me take 1 guess, you're playing AOC?

That pretty much proves my point.

As to one of the worst blogs/podcasts, *tear, get out more.

Posted: May 26th 2008 1:39PM (Unverified) said

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Brela,

Heh, I have been around long enough to know what is quality or not. That particular blog/podcast is horrible, mostly due to the lack of maturity and intelligence by the authors.

As far as AoC goes and their recent comments, I spoke out about their silly blog in a prior post before they even reviewed or left the game. I could care less what they or anyone else thinks about a game I am, or not, playing.

My point was that I don't understand why Massively would point to their blog for anything, AoC related or otherwise. In my view it lowers the integrity of this (Massively) blog by blogging on junk like that.

Sure they get traffic from it, but is it really needed from such a questionable source?
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Posted: May 26th 2008 2:16PM (Unverified) said

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With all due respect to everyone's opinion about the game itself(Age of Conan) "eone" has this situation pegged correctly. The blog in question(I never partook of the podcast) is a horrible jumble of off the cuff remarks that lack the enduring wisdom that *experience* and *thoughtful reflection* can bring.

I am sure that Keen and Graev are fine individuals, but there comments were debunked by commentors more often than they should have been. It got to the point where I started to get a wiff of John C. Dvorak(read: purposefully throwing out wrong or incendiary material in order to provoke responses for the sake of generating hits). Either that or they were so enamored with the idea of getting a new post up that they didn't really care if it was right. Were those objectives their top priorities? No idea, but it quickly became apparent that their information was questionable and their opinions were anything but insightful so I moved along.

Posted: May 26th 2008 2:41PM GRT said

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To the actual topic of Age of Conan, I think these "powergamers" are giving the game some bad press that in at least one respect isn't deserved, and that's the "instancing" issue.

Other games handle instancing the same way that AoC does. EQ2 immediately springs to mind. If too many people wind up in one zone another instance is spawned to prevent over-crowding.

I started in Early Access and I'm now in the zone these two kids were complaining about almost a week ago. Clearly they leveled as quickly as possible and faster than 95% of the population, and then they say the world feels empty because of instancing. I suggest that the world felt empty because they were ahead of everyone.

I was just playing in "The Wilds" and there were people all over the place. At least a dozen in the tiny little town where quests are handed out at any one time, and every quest location I went to had people there. In one case there were 4 players ahead of me waiting to pick up a quest reward as it respawned.

In short, many more people in the zone and playing would've gotten really frustrating, IMO.

The game certainly has problems, but I just don't see all the hate aimed at instancing to prevent over-crowding. And it's nothing at all like Guild Wars instancing where its just your party in the instance.

Posted: May 26th 2008 4:15PM (Unverified) said

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Just for the record Keen and Graev can not even legal play AoC like they not can play M rated games..... they are kids after all.

Posted: May 26th 2008 7:57PM (Unverified) said

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Just for the record, there's nothing "illegal" about a 16 year old playing an M rated game. The ESRB rating offers a suggestion for age-appropriateness, but the government (US gov't at least) has absolutely nothing to do with it. Video games are not analogous to alcohol, jeeze.

Posted: May 27th 2008 2:15PM (Unverified) said

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Wrong, in most states it is illegal to sell video games with an M rating to minors.

Learn the law before you start spouting off about it. Thx.
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Posted: May 26th 2008 10:00PM (Unverified) said

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@Eone

I'll have to agree that listening/reading to them as long as I have, I've come to the conclusion that they're (more specifically Graev) not going to be heading off to Nuclear Physicist school anytime soon. In saying that, that's why I love the blog so much. To say that they lack intelligence in gaming (MMO's to be more specific) is somewhat naive. They bring up good points at times and are referenced by many MMO sites/blogs, guests on podcasts etc, for just that reason. We're reading/listening to two younger souls who love to game.

As you eluded to not caring what they say about a game you may be playing, well i'm sure the same goes for your above comment, as well as my comment. But you still made the comment, maybe someone other than the two of us should come flame us and tell us to get off the internet.

As to your point of why Massively would point to them. Consider yourself a Massively editor/writer. You are here to embrace an ever expanding MMO community. There are several blogs out there that get a good deal of attention because of the uniqueness they bring to the genre. Massively should feel comfortable enough with what they write and shouldn't be bothered with such pettiness. Sure they should be somewhat selective, but at what cost?

It's not that they're a questionable source, you know what you're getting when you go to their blog. What's questionable is why you think they're questionable. They are gamers, they represent a large demographic of younger gamers, but lets ignore that because of your almighty sense of superiority. Is it because you're a more mature adult with superior intellect and grammatical skills? Sure you may not agree with everything or anything they say, but that's what makes the internet so great, go find your valuable resources while the rest of us will make our own decisions. I'm glad Massively is apart of this great MMO community and love the way they bring a community feel, and I feel Keen and Grave's blog fits nicely in there.

I'm not imposing these values upon you, but since you hold this site in such high regard (as do I), and they made the choice to reference K&G, maybe you're the one with more issues? Come off your high horse for a while, it's nice down here.

Posted: May 27th 2008 10:39AM GRT said

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"As you eluded to not caring what they say about a game you may be playing, well i'm sure the same goes for your above comment, as well as my comment. But you still made the comment, maybe someone other than the two of us should come flame us and tell us to get off the internet."

The problem isn't the existence of the blog. The problem is Massively selecting to highlight it when there are much better sources out there (I mean, there has to be).

Your argument only holds up if some other blog that positions itself as a central repository of all things MMO linked to our comments and told its readers "This is quality content worthy of your time and attention."

I have to decide whether or not I trust Massively enough to follow the links they suggest. If this is the quality of content they're going to bring to my attention, they're breaking this trust.

Honestly I'm not as annoyed with them linking to the blog itself as I am promoting the podcast. I had no knowledge of who these people were or that they were kids. I trusted Massively enough to go into iTunes, find the podcast, subscribe to it, download it and sync my iPod to get it on there before heading out the door for my commute home. And then I found it was a couple of silly, nervous kids who injected "like" into every sentence at least 3 times.

That to me was a waste of my time and it bugged me. Linking to a blog where I can follow the link, roll my eyes and shut the window isn't as big a deal. But I still find it odd that Massively has shown a preference for this blog over all the others out there.
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Posted: May 26th 2008 10:18PM (Unverified) said

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I would just like to take this opportunity to say that I love the Massively readers, each and every one of you :)

It's the varying opinions that make life exciting. Amirite?

Posted: May 26th 2008 10:52PM (Unverified) said

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Amen brother.
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Posted: May 27th 2008 5:20AM (Unverified) said

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Keen and Graev have made many mistakes when discussing things, I've found a lot of errors and mis-truths. But they are probably right about AoC in that Funcom concentrated a lot on the lower levels, and I think that's going to mean a lack of content for higher levels. Plus, for a game that is suppose to have a PvP focus, it's once again more of a mini-game. We'll have to wait and see for when more players are at level 80 and what transpires then.

I don't think Age of Conan will take me off my path to Warhammer Online, and if AoC can get 400,000 this quickly, I think WAR will have over a million. People want something new, WoW is dying and a beaten horse, and WAR offers true PvP with meaning.

Posted: May 27th 2008 5:29AM (Unverified) said

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Keen and Graev had already made their minds up on AoC weeks ago, if you read back through their old post. This is no new news. They're WAR 'fanboys', and there has even been suggestion they were approached by EA to informally advertise the game.

I think their supposed 'impartiality' falls down when they start citing the reasons they left the game as 'NDA held up in closed beta' and 'only members can join the forums'. Bearing in mind; they're reviewing the post-launch MMO here...? It just doesn't add up.

My suggestion would be to read some of the more educated and impartial blogs out there, and Massively; I'd suggest you draw your quotes from them in future, for the risk of you being tarred with the same brush as K&G.

Posted: May 27th 2008 10:52AM (Unverified) said

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Just shows your lack of knowledge on the matter. They are not 'fanboys', they just loved DAOC also created by Mythic. They're remembering back to the good old days od DAOC and that's where their hype for WAR comes in. It's because of their experience with another game/company, not just because it's WAR...
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Posted: May 27th 2008 11:00AM (Unverified) said

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@GRT

"The problem isn't the existence of the blog. The problem is Massively selecting to highlight it when there are much better sources out there (I mean, there has to be)."

Much better sources for the topic of the post? I agree there are better MMO blogs out there, but the point of the whole post is that there are people out there who have decided to pack it in. Whether you like K+G's blog is the only issue here. Massively referenced the blog properly, and the blog does have value in the MMO community whether you choose to like it or not.

I'm not here to defend K+G, I agree with the idea that they lack maturity and a 'professional' atmosphere. I also think peoples hate for the blog overrides their thoughts on the matter.

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