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Posted: Apr 22nd 2008 12:25AM (Unverified) said

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when folks say eve is hardcore i have to laugh. the only hardcore part of eve is how many gankers will it take to kill one carebear on any given day. eve is hardore when it comes to being on rails in both space flight and combat, no originality anywhere here.

eve is a lord of the flies game, small, niche, nothing more.

Posted: Apr 22nd 2008 4:40AM (Unverified) said

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Made a few poasts about bacon on the official forums and the negative aspecets of it. But BACON isnt the only program we know of a second used in house by goonfleet but isnt released to the public. Im glad that it was brought forward because of the light it has shed on both the issue of local chat as a inteligence tool and this program. IMHO a third party program using the client side logfile as a realtime tool is a exploit and was completly not the intention of the use of the logfile.

PS. mikhail go troll someplace else mmmkay

Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 2:40AM (Unverified) said

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well, it's hard to take the moral high ground in EO, since it is such a tacky meat-grind. nothing is considered "fair" or in the game mechanics, i.e. , if you can do it, quickly do it before someone does it to you is not endearing to fairness, it's mob tactics.

having BACON do essentially what most players do upon gating, and providing a TTS or auditory signal to wake players auto-gating should be considered 'handy', but is it fair ?

... perhaps its "fair" in some universally misunderstood meaning of the term fair that eve online uses, some kind of bastardised version that lacks any of the original meaning.

is fair an equitable term for all players ? , it sure isn't for those

Posted: Apr 22nd 2008 7:40AM (Unverified) said

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I look forward to adding bacon to my meals, er, deep space exploration and mining capabilities. I think it's great. When you think about the supposed high-tech environment of a future space scenario, aren't tools like this to be expected? And I don't think this detracts from the PvP aspect at all - it takes away the free lunch for some, but the PvP aspect will (should) always be on the intentional gang-versus-gnag aspect of the game.

Posted: Apr 22nd 2008 8:12AM (Unverified) said

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eve is about dieing at any time not this "oh hai guys i dont wanna pvp 2day come back next week"

im sorry but hello kitty online has closed its beta and u cant sign up anymore but we dont need people like you ruining one of the defining aspects of our game.
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Posted: May 7th 2008 3:08PM (Unverified) said

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/signed

there is a serious lack of hi-tech tools for a sci-fi game such as EVE
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Posted: Apr 22nd 2008 8:47AM (Unverified) said

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hey side, you got me down cold. Now why don't you go back to your low-sec gate camp and look for some freighters to gank? I'm sure that makes up the majority of your "defining aspects" in the game.

Posted: Apr 22nd 2008 8:50AM rgoff31 said

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Well it doesn't really matter what everyone thinks if CCP has already said it doesn't violate the TOS. If you quit over this can I have your stuff????

Posted: Apr 22nd 2008 8:55AM (Unverified) said

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No it doesnt violate it but i think you forgot to read the rest of the post about how they reserve they right to change there mind while they review it further. there is no official statement saying that this program is aproved by CCP in any way for that matter.
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Posted: Apr 22nd 2008 8:59AM (Unverified) said

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This bacon thing is such a load of tosh it's unbeleivable. All it does is compensate for laziness and incompetance, unlike there's already enough in eve that does that for you. And to 'J', well done, gate camps are in fact a defining aspect of this game, anyone who's played for more than 30 seconds and understands what the game is about will see that.

Anyway don't worry carebears, we'll still find ways to gank you no matter how many third party apps you use.

Posted: Apr 22nd 2008 9:32AM rgoff31 said

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My point is unless CCP change their minds, everyone will just have to deal with it, whine, or leave.

From reading the discussions it seems the Goons and others are already using similar programs, these guys just decided to released it instead of keeping it secret.

Posted: Apr 22nd 2008 9:42AM (Unverified) said

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I will find out for you.

My initial reaction is that there is nothing 'wrong' with this per say. As long as you are only reading the logserver logfiles not the raw log server output. As these files can be delayed in writing, or if you want an immediate write then it takes up more cpu and disk IO that is your call.

Please do not take this as CCP approval, but I will go ask the appropriate people and get you a definitive answer.

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Posted: Apr 22nd 2008 9:37AM Wgraves said

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I think that this bacon business is a little ridiculous, but it could be easily incorporated into local as just an option to have the window flash when a non-blue enters system, just like a new message had popped up, because when i rat i know i get lazy about it and just chat away with corpmates. not to mention local only shows a number on 3 not on two so if your alone there is no warning without keeping that window open.

Bacon may be over the top but it could be incorporated nicely, because my battleship sized vessel should prolly have some peon watching the scanners and telling me when there's bad guys about.

The adding of any third party apps i believe is un-sportsmanlike because not everyone has these apps, or can install them.

Posted: Apr 22nd 2008 10:00AM (Unverified) said

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Personally, I'm amazed it's not something implemented in the game. If I owned a spacecraft in a violent place, you can be sure as hell I'd want some kind of early warning system.

Posted: Apr 22nd 2008 1:59PM rgoff31 said

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The Goons have been doing this all along.
Screenshot of the Goon's Beetracker Wiki page

http://i28.tinypic.com/1427n6s.jpg

Posted: Apr 22nd 2008 2:30PM Syme said

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It amazes me that the basis of how "hardcore" a game is rests on how easy it is to be a jerk.

Anyway, it sounds like the gankers have been using these kinds of programs to make ganking easier. Their targets should have the same ability to level the playing field again until CCP makes it impossible to run such a program alongside the game.

Posted: Apr 22nd 2008 4:05PM (Unverified) said

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Originally by: GM GrimmiGreetings,

The LogServer output is solely intended by CCP as information for developers to help identify and fix bugs. While BACON, and the many similar tools currently used by a large number of players, may technically not be in violation of our EULA/TOS, we frown upon the use of this information for any other purpose and we are currently working on changes to prevent this sort of unintended use of information provided by the LogServer.

Regards,

GM Grimmi
Lead Game Master




looks like everyone can come down BACON is gonna get WTF nerfed soon

Posted: Apr 22nd 2008 4:27PM (Unverified) said

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Originally by: GM Grimmi: "and the many similar tools currently used by a large number of players..."

Wait so he is telling everyone that CCP (the game developers) has known about a large number of privileged people using software of this type.

Software like this has likely been used against me but not shared with me as common knowledge of the game? WTF?!?!?!

Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 9:16AM (Unverified) said

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The fact that this information is currently available to a player, albeit an alert one, is a subject of much debate, I personally support it being available to a vigilant player who is aware of their surroundings. Using in this manner allowing a player to perhaps alt-tab and remain just as 'safe' or even using a second account to check for danger nearby without needing to visually 'look' may cross a line, and unfortunately the result may be that the information is no longer sent to the client, removing the automated and the manual options at the same time.

Generally players can work as a team, and have one player do the scouting for the others, this takes away the advantage from working with other people, something a good MMO is built on.

Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 10:25AM (Unverified) said

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Anything that cuts down on pointless ganking is a good thing. Hell get enough stuff like this in the game and maybe people would play it again!~

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