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Posted: Jan 24th 2008 4:08PM (Unverified) said

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I like how a certain persons name was left out here!

Posted: Jan 24th 2008 4:12PM GreenArmadillo said

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Now I'm curious, the article claims they killed one of their own faction leader NPC's in WoW. How did they accomplish this? I was able to find coverage of the time they kited the Theramore flight master, but this one didn't get explained.

Posted: Jan 24th 2008 6:02PM (Unverified) said

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Hmm, in the past there was a way to get a debuff for failing a quest in Scarlet Monastry, that set your own faction temporarily neutral and enabled you to attack your own npc's. I haven't heard of the story myself, but I assume they used this and killed Thrall that way.

Interesting article at least. Not very in-depth about Eve-O, the story about killing a titan, where Goons only played a part together with their allies, is not all that interesting.

I often think the whole "internet is serious business" approach is rather ironic, especially when you look at the Goons in Eve-O that invest an awful lot of time in it. I guess I'm not too fond of them, but I can't deny that they've did a lot of hilarious things.

And I seriously think 'their' stuff might get someone killed in real-life one day. I wouldn't even feel that safe as creator of SA, that probably got awfully rich with it as well.

Posted: Jan 25th 2008 12:11AM Cupajoe said

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This article is so woefully under informed it's sad. I'm no fan of the goons, I won't lie, but they were going up again BoB who I like even less because they have literally been cheating in the game. The only reason the goons got so powerful is because of the outrage the players had against BoB, not necessarily because they like the goons.

Posted: Jan 25th 2008 8:29AM (Unverified) said

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Actually, I'm hardly any "mogul" as I own a mere 15 sims worth of SL land that I rent out on the mainland, which is very tough for business, as distinct from the very much more lucrative private islands. And because my rentals are open to anyone without invitation and security devices are not allowed, so as to make for open communities, I'm targeted by griefers, unlike the gated communities. So I'm hardly the evil land baron you'd like to describe me as.

And in fact, as you can see from the full text of the interview with Julian Dibbell on my blog, I never called these griefers "terrorists" in some facile and stupid way -- in fact I never used the word "terrorism" or "terrorist" at all. What in fact I talked about was "terror-forming" which is a play on words of "terraforming," or landscaping of the earth in Second Life, whereby griefers will take a land mistakenly left on edit, or infiltrate a group and get control of the landscaping tools, and heap up huge mountains or land sinks to annoy another person. It's a slang term, if you will, and Julian didn't seem to grasp it.

But I've said often that griefers are *like* terrorists in the *dynamics* of how they act and I surely stand by that: yes, griefers are *like* terrorists in their tactics and motives and ideologies.

Are you able to reason by analogy? Not every literalist tekkie is able to do this. The dynamics of terrorism in RL involve spreading fear, inflicting massive damage to property, disrupting public events, but most of all, whacking innocent people who are not directly related to your beef. So griefers in the virtual realm who are *by analogy* *like* terrorists, who hate that I've written about them, which I've done occasionally, whack my tenants, who have never heard of them or even read my blog. Sick.

http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2008/01/tiny-reporters.html

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