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Posted: Jan 28th 2008 10:39AM (Unverified) said

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We haven't experienced the bug, thankfully, but we've become a bit wary about the bank. I had the bank set to allow new invites [a rank of their own in our guild, until we get to know them] to see the bank and put things in. I thought this would be a good way to let new invites contribute and show their interest in helping the guild. However, a couple of new invites just went window shopping, saw things they wanted, and started asking people to get them out for them. This sort of end-run around the system was frustrating, and I ended up removing the new invites' ability to see the bank at all.

Posted: Jan 21st 2008 11:18AM Scopique said

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I'd be concerned about the guild leaders not speaking about it to the rest of the guild, especially when someone like invite privilages have been revoked. A forum post, in-game email...something. This is the kind of thing that members SHOULD be on guard for, and it would help if the leadership shared the experience with the members so that they can be wary in the future.

Consequently, this illustrates a really, large hole in the whole way that MMOs traditionally code their guild systems. There's usually no official "trial" membership; it's either all in (which is needed to get the invitee in on the guild chat) or nuthin.

Posted: Jan 21st 2008 2:45PM Ghen said

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Its tough in this sort of situation to be a leader. Your gut instinct is to hope it just blows over... but this is one of those times where you have to go against that and let everyone know what happens. I don't fault the guild leadership for not telling people, its just a lesson you have to learn. Honesty and openness are the best policy.

Posted: Jan 21st 2008 2:46PM Ghen said

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Also, I'm not sure why they would disallow invites.. A better idea would be to create a rank in the guild for newbies that doesn't have guild bank privileges. Make the newbies ask an officer to get something out of the bank for them.
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Posted: Jan 21st 2008 3:09PM aigarius said

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There was a coverage of a bug where if you have full guild bank privileges in one guild and then switch guilds, then the withdraw limits do not get reset. The recommendation at the time was to restrict invitation rights to a few members who also knew to reset the withdrawal limits right after inviting people.

Posted: Jan 21st 2008 8:06PM Arashikou said

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Right you are - This isn't a matter of guild masters with bad bank policies, it's a known bug in WoW. And people are creating guilds where they have full bank item and cash access privileges JUST for the purpose of dropping the guild to take those privileges with them to another guild to clear out the banks.

Even worse, thieves could hide their tracks via another bug. If the thief deletes their character, (presumably after sending the stolen goods to their REAL main) their name is purged from the bank logs. Stealing from the bank in this way is considered taking advantage of an exploit, so GMs have been willing to rectify such a situation, but the guild master has to know who to accuse first!
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 10:49AM (Unverified) said

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On Mannoroth I've started a list of people who have stolen from their guilds. It won't protect against people who join and delete the char, but in my experience most people do it on their main char assuming no one will notice that a 45 warrior withdrew a level 67 staff and put it on the AH.

I've talked to officers in a dozen guilds or so, so if you are on Mannoroth and want the list, drop me a pst or a letter.

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