| Mail |
You might also like: WoW Insider, Joystiq, and more

Reader Comments (58)

Posted: Nov 28th 2007 8:23AM Ghen said

  • 2.5 hearts
  • Report
Oh yeah? well you're still a poopiehead and I'm telling mom.



j/k. If it holds more than 100 people at a time online then I want to hear about it on massively :P Don't let the griefers get to you, thats the whole point of the comments section is to moan.

Posted: Nov 28th 2007 8:29AM Scopique said

  • 3 hearts
  • Report
I have to say that the volume of SL coverage here is unusual when mixed in with titles which are more towards the gaming end of the spectrum, but when you step back and take a look at "virtual world" space and where it's going, it seems to me that the future is less about pure gaming, and more about larger, all inclusive experiences which incorporate gaming with more casual opportunities.

Unfortunately, it's suffering from the "Wii Effect": experiences like SL CAN appeal to both gamers and non-gamers, but MMO games tend to attract gamers; it's not a two-way street, and the MMO gamers tend to thumb their nose at SL and it's ilk for whatever reason. The same with the Wii: "hardcore" gamers complain that the Wii is "dumbing down" the past-time, yet the Wii is bringing more and more people INTO the gaming lifestyle. In both cases, it's good to get more people onboard so they can understand firsthand, rather then allow politicians and other fear-mongers to write their opinions for them.

Posted: Nov 28th 2007 8:57AM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Plus, many Second Life users are also MMO gamers. It's not like you suddenly cease to be able to play MMOGs when you log into a non-game world for the first time :)
Reply

Posted: Nov 28th 2007 8:38AM Grizz said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
This is all Im saying:

#1 Second Life = 229
#2 WoW = 128
#3 LotRO = 85

I appreciate Secondlife as much as the next guy, but I would appreciate the "Secondlife-Free homepage" more.

Heck, I would still like SL news when new features come out, records broken, and the such, just not hourly updates.

Posted: Nov 28th 2007 8:47AM Grizz said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Let me clarify after thinking a little more.

I would be pumped if my favorite MMO got this much coverage, but when you don't play SL, you tend to sort through a lot of info not related to you.

By all means, keep up the coverage, just let me have a way to skip the non-essential SL items.
Reply

Posted: Nov 28th 2007 3:37PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
agreed. twice as many posts about second life as wow posts. exactly how many people do play second life? i know 28 people IRL who play WoW, 14 who play EQ2, and only 1 who logs into SL
Reply

Posted: Nov 28th 2007 8:45AM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Things were a lot better when we had the Second Life Insider. Back then we didn't have to deal with Whiny MMO Kids.

Now, if WoW was restricted to 18+, maybe I'd give it a try. But I deal with kids every day of my life already.

Posted: Nov 28th 2007 9:06AM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
I think it would be reasonable for Massively to say "You want more traditional MMO coverage? Then put in an application to write for us." That way, people inclined to like Massive, "if only," could help make it better.

Posted: Nov 28th 2007 9:46AM dukrous said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
While I have no issue with Second Life coverage, it does have an obscene amount of content here...enough that it's made me consider unsubscribing from the RSS feed. Just to the right I can see 231 stories for Second Life, and the next runner up is WOW at 129. That's a huge difference for a game that is not producing near the numbers of WOW.

Are numbers the only factor in reporting? No...but they need to be a factor. Half the time I think I've stumbled into Second Life Insider by mistake. It's too much...scale it back. Just taking yesterday's articles on SL, I see a Yesterday's Money which includes other MMOG (good) but then a Yesterday In Second Life, which has some of the most useless information in a post. Get rid of it...Do a yesterday on Massively and give SL it's own section and you got a winner.

Simon says no to settlement was a horrible article. I had to search Google to find out what was being fought over because your article did not provide any background information.

Going back further you have Linden Labs moving to an office...riveting if you're in real estate, otherwise who cares? So there's 3 articles in 2 days that are either badly written or completely useless.

You're serving a broader market than Second Life, and the general opinion of most people I talk to is Second Life (unless they're regular players or investors). Realize that and try to pimp up some of the MMOs few people talk about. If we wanted this amount of Second Life news, Second Life Insider would still be the place to put it.

It's not like WOW Insider has gone away, right?

Posted: Nov 28th 2007 9:48AM dukrous said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Meant to say "the general opinion of most people I talk to is Second Life is not a hot property"...damn lack of an edit button!
Reply

Posted: Nov 29th 2007 9:21AM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
we do have a yesterday on Massively feature:
http://www.massively.com/tag/yesterday-on-massively/
Reply

Posted: Nov 30th 2007 6:15AM dukrous said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
So why aren't all the Yesterday posts gathered up into one? Not only does it combine all aspects of what you're doing, but it provides a nice summation of the whole site's activities, as well as showing that you're covering more than WOW and SL.

I think the major problem is with Second Life Insider gone, there's no repository for the amount of SL info to go. The impression right now is that this is a renamed SLI, not a new site and that's going to hurt the longterm growth of this place.
Reply

Posted: Nov 28th 2007 10:16AM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
I agree with the sentiments above, I don't mind SL'ers for all the hyped up POS it is, I don't mind reporting on it but the fact you have to defend it's use in the MMO website it must be the fact that some think that the PR drive of the game makers is just sickening sometimes.

The mass PR drive is what turned me away from SL in the first place, it's kinda like the Dot com boom/bust thing, it was touted as the next biggest thing ... and collapsed over night. And with the dot.com business it's built up over 6-7 years to become stronger than whole industries put together. Which is what I would imagine SL or some other copycat-done-better will end up achieving.

Lets face it, SL is slow horridly planned and programmed even on the best systems out there it slow and horrid to use. Once someone with some decent knowledge on how to program an engine that 'can' cope with that amounts of information I think it will take off with allot more zeal than SL ever had.

"#1 Second Life = 229
#2 WoW = 128
#3 LotRO = 85"

I think that's the general point, too much of one game not enough of others, I mean who cares how much they traded? It's just reposted from another site, and like others in this comments section I've considered unsubbing because of the amount of SL BS I have to put up with to get to the real stories (which are usually a good read).

Posted: Nov 29th 2007 9:35AM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
maybe you guys don't read as many feeds as I do, but if a feed tops even 10% worth of relevant info it's enough for me to keep it in the reader. pick out what grabs your eye and leave the rest -- i guess i don't see the point in getting personally affronted about the rest of the stuff i might not personally find interesting.

i understand that you personally don't like Second Life, but it's difficult to deny that SL is to virtual worlds what WoW is to MMOs right now: it's king of the hill. Like it or not, there are a lot of relevant issues regarding virtual worlds happening in SL. also, the Second Life category is the #1 visited category page on this blog -- which alone is a strong argument that a lot of other readers really value the level of news coverage there.
Reply

Posted: Nov 29th 2007 2:21PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
(Allright, I will probably regret this, but : )

Dear Ghiest : Yes, Second Life is technically outdated, buggy, graphically primitive, unreliable, over-hyped and what not. And no, a shinier, slicker contender will not change anything about it, unless it offers more than technical prowess, because SL is quintessentially not a game platform. What makes Second Life so daunting, once the first PR induced dizzyness has abated, is the answer to that simple question : what is it good for ? The answer ? Everything. Because it is a world, which allows it to be a game, among many, many other things.

So, does it belong among MM worlds ? Why not ? As a game, it's a stunted, ugly sibling of more graceful ones, but it still is family. Cut off or include, the choice is yours.

Rheta Shan (of Second Life)
http://rhetasworld.wordpress.com
Reply

Posted: Nov 28th 2007 10:28AM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
I am glad you have the coverage of Second Life. I have tried it a couple times and I am trying it again because of your coverage. I have gotten into the game much more than any other time I have tried it and met some really cool people. It's something to do to have a good time when you're waiting for a download or only have 30 minutes or so to play. I pop into SL have a couple interesting conversations with complete strangers and pop out again. It's a nice social fix.

Posted: Nov 28th 2007 5:43PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
I'm an SL person. Although I have done lots of traditional pen and paper RPGs, I have gotten to the point where what interests me is the creation and realization of the character, not levels and gadgets. That's what got me into SL, where I am a person much different from my RL self. I am not knocking MMORPGs for anybody else - it's just not my thing.

That being said - I'm here because SL Insider is gone. I found the Insider to be the best source of reporting on what's going on in SL. I don't read anything else on Massively. I am bookmarked directly to the SL page. Although I don't read everything completely, I like to know what's going on.

Please don't water down the SL content because people who aren't in SL think there's too much of it. And folks, if you don't like the SL stuff, ignore it - just like I ignore all the stuff that isn't about SL.

Posted: Nov 28th 2007 10:34AM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Well on one point, all of these blogs used to be individual sites owned by AOL and were rolled up into one huge megablog at their discretion, if I understand the launch correctly.

So you have all of these people who were writing for their respective sites before, and continue to do so now under a different domain name.

Also if I understand it correctly, there doesn't seem to be much divvying-out of articles. What I mean by that is I see that some of the people who used to write for SLInsider still only writing SL stuff, whereas some of them are also writing WoW stuff and CoH stuff and so forth. Which strikes me as authors electing their own subjects to report on.

Meaning if you want to whine, don't make your focus on SL not belonging here (and given that SLInsider was an AOL property previously, as Massively is now, they obviously felt it belongs here even if you don't) and don't complain about SL having too much "focus," and complain that the people who cover the other MMOGs you like aren't being as prolific as the SL people. Since it strikes me as everyone covers what they want to cover, therein lies the issue.

Posted: Nov 28th 2007 10:42AM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Like Gr1zz said, if it was my MMO I'd be happy to see this much coverage. And for what this site is trying to do, too much is better then having too little.

Maybe an answer could be having two priority to articles, One for front page news, another for after the fold (to put it in newspaper terms).

You could do what slashdot does, some articles are listed in full but some are simple one line titles that direct you to the full story.

Posted: Nov 28th 2007 10:41AM GRT said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Along with most of the others here, I'm just curious about the amount of Second Life coverage vis a vis other games. I'm also *somewhat* curious about the WoW coverage since this blog-group contains WoWInsider. But OTOH I get that you can't assume that everone reads that.

I'd love to see other games get more coverage, personally.

Featured Stories

Engadget

Engadget

Joystiq

Joystiq

WoW Insider

WoW

TUAW

TUAW